Reo Grand clone Squonker £20 3FVape [poll added]

[vern]

it looks like an origen, but if it is on that mod then that mod is a reo grand LP. Low profile...the top is milled about 2mm or 3mm lower to remove the catchcup restriction, which then allows all 22mm atties to fit nicely.
Our clone Dolly's are standard reo grand..not LP.
it'll be obvious once the device is in hand and you'll quickly see what needs to be done..

[blakey]

Mine hasn't shipped yet, seems if you don't complain then you get left to last

[vern]

LP on the left...normal Reo grand on the right...compare the height of the base the atty sits on


the actual 510 connector is the same height on both of these items, just the one on the right has some extra metal

[VapingBad]

Jul 1, 2015 22:03:09 GMT blakey said:

Mine hasn't shipped yet, seems if you don't complain then you get left to last

And that is exactly why I did, complain they may try and buy you off and ask if you want to be a reviewer.

[VapingBad]

Jul 1, 2015 18:15:37 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Jul 1, 2015 16:12:18 GMT VapingBad said:

I honestly think that when shipping dates are missed you should get upgraded shipping and a refund for the extra cost of upgrading shipping if you paid for that as a mater of course, a well know pizza co gives you your pizza free if it is late. They can't control the time it takes to cross the globe, but they can control the ETA, ship date and delivery method.

Not a great analogy i have to say.
The pizza company are producing the product, they are the manufacturer and the distributor.
The vendor here is just a distributor they don't have control over manufacturing, they are relying on the manufacturer to produce and deliver the order within the date given by the manufacturer at the time of ordering.

It is not a analogy, just the hugest profile example of a company prepared to take a loss if they don't provide the level of service they advertised I could think of in 5 seconds. Your points are not true for this case, but not relevant to my post I am purely talking about out contract with vendors in general and not about e-cigs or a specific vendor.

[letsavit]

Jul 1, 2015 22:03:09 GMT blakey said:

Mine hasn't shipped yet, seems if you don't complain then you get left to last

PM Ella with your order number, I did when I read others had been shipped, it was them marked as shipped the next day.

Suppose you can look at it as us at AAEC get in first if we chase Ella and she connects the two.......

[blakey]

Jul 1, 2015 22:23:39 GMT VapingBad said:

Jul 1, 2015 22:03:09 GMT blakey said:

Mine hasn't shipped yet, seems if you don't complain then you get left to last

And that is exactly why I did, complain they may try and buy you off and ask if you want to be a reviewer.

Not much chance of me reviewing
Everyone will have already had theirs and gotten bored of it before I get mine to review

[VapingBad]

Jul 1, 2015 22:52:08 GMT blakey said:

Jul 1, 2015 22:23:39 GMT VapingBad said:

And that is exactly why I did, complain they may try and buy you off and ask if you want to be a reviewer.

Not much chance of me reviewing
Everyone will have already had theirs and gotten bored of it before I get mine to review

[Get Off My Cloud]

Jul 1, 2015 22:31:00 GMT VapingBad said:

Jul 1, 2015 18:15:37 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Not a great analogy i have to say.
The pizza company are producing the product, they are the manufacturer and the distributor.
The vendor here is just a distributor they don't have control over manufacturing, they are relying on the manufacturer to produce and deliver the order within the date given by the manufacturer at the time of ordering.

It is not a analogy, just the hugest profile example of a company prepared to take a loss if they don't provide the level of service they advertised I could think of in 5 seconds. Your points are not true for this case, but not relevant to my post I am purely talking about out contract with vendors in general and not about e-cigs or a specific vendor.

Yeah but you know the E in ETA stands for estimated right not guaranteed?
It's estimated based upon the production and delivery date they get from the manufacturer, if the manufacturer can't deliver in the timeframe quoted the vendor doesn't have control over that whereas your pizza delivery place does have control over manufacturing, that's why i say it's not a good analogy, and hey it was your example not mine.

Sure there are things they could do to mitigate this, they could firstly advertise an ETA with a longer timeframe like advertise their shipping date 2 weeks or 3 weeks later than the delivery date they get from the manufacturer as a cushion against delivery delays from the factories, but they you and i know other vendors won't or don't do this and customers are going to place orders with those vendors advertising a sooner shipping date.

They could not advertise products at all until they are delivered from the manufacturer but again they're going to lose orders to vendors who advertise products ahead of time with an ETA plus they're going to have to warehouse stock until it sells which again is a cost that they are going to have to pass on to customers meaning higher prices than the competition also.

They could negotiate with the factory to get a reduced price or free product if they fail to deliver the product in the quoted time but good luck with that, these clone factories aren't going to agree with those terms because they're already working to output limits, they can sell more than they can make so there is no incentive for them to agree to such terms when they can just sell to another vendor with no problem and not lose any money.

I'm the same as everyone else it's not an ideal situation but it is the reality of buying cheap goods from Chinese vendors, they all do business in the same way, they place an order with a factory, get a delivery date from the factory, advertise the goods for sale with a shipping date calculated on the delivery date they get from the factory.
Some are better with communication and customer service but they all have the same business model in terms of how they advertise and sell.

[VapingBad]

Jul 1, 2015 23:23:46 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Jul 1, 2015 22:31:00 GMT VapingBad said:

It is not a analogy, just the hugest profile example of a company prepared to take a loss if they don't provide the level of service they advertised I could think of in 5 seconds. Your points are not true for this case, but not relevant to my post I am purely talking about out contract with vendors in general and not about e-cigs or a specific vendor.

Yeah but you know the E in ETA stands for estimated right not guaranteed?
It's estimated based upon the production and delivery date they get from the manufacturer, if the manufacturer can't deliver in the timeframe quoted the vendor doesn't have control over that whereas your pizza delivery place does have control over manufacturing, that's why i say it's not a good analogy, and hey it was your example not mine.

Sure there are things they could do to mitigate this, they could firstly advertise an ETA with a longer timeframe like advertise their shipping date 2 weeks or 3 weeks later than the delivery date they get from the manufacturer as a cushion against delivery delays from the factories, but they you and i know other vendors won't or don't do this and customers are going to place orders with those vendors advertising a sooner shipping date.

They could not advertise products at all until they are delivered from the manufacturer but again they're going to lose orders to vendors who advertise products ahead of time with an ETA plus they're going to have to warehouse stock until it sells which again is a cost that they are going to have to pass on to customers meaning higher prices than the competition also.

They could negotiate with the factory to get a reduced price or free product if they fail to deliver the product in the quoted time but good luck with that, these clone factories aren't going to agree with those terms because they're already working to output limits, they can sell more than they can make so there is no incentive for them to agree to such terms when they can just sell to another vendor with no problem and not lose any money.

I'm the same as everyone else it's not an ideal situation but it is the reality of buying cheap goods from Chinese vendors, they all do business in the same way, they place an order with a factory, get a delivery date from the factory, advertise the goods for sale with a shipping date calculated on the delivery date they get from the factory.
Some are better with communication and customer service but they all have the same business model in terms of how they advertise and sell.

Not our problem that they have unreliable suppliers yet still publish their ETAs, BTW ETA was a convenient term for it that I used 3f state unambiguously "We will ship out in 3~5 business days" no wiggle room there.  You are completely missing my point, it is not  why things are late at all, it is they sell something that will be shipped in x-y days, not maybe shipped if all goes to plan, but a definite time-frame that turns out to have been at best over optimistic estimate. 

Yes things sometimes go wrong and that is when the best vendors will do a little extra or maybe you think I should feel sorry for them, I don't, I feel sorry for Ella as a person but not the company I did not force them to put these time frames up.  For all I know maybe this supplier often misses dates and they are aware of that and have just been string us along so we don't cancel, we have no way of knowing and I am not saying this is the case.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Jul 1, 2015 23:45:01 GMT VapingBad said:

Jul 1, 2015 23:23:46 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Yeah but you know the E in ETA stands for estimated right not guaranteed?
It's estimated based upon the production and delivery date they get from the manufacturer, if the manufacturer can't deliver in the timeframe quoted the vendor doesn't have control over that whereas your pizza delivery place does have control over manufacturing, that's why i say it's not a good analogy, and hey it was your example not mine.

Sure there are things they could do to mitigate this, they could firstly advertise an ETA with a longer timeframe like advertise their shipping date 2 weeks or 3 weeks later than the delivery date they get from the manufacturer as a cushion against delivery delays from the factories, but they you and i know other vendors won't or don't do this and customers are going to place orders with those vendors advertising a sooner shipping date.

They could not advertise products at all until they are delivered from the manufacturer but again they're going to lose orders to vendors who advertise products ahead of time with an ETA plus they're going to have to warehouse stock until it sells which again is a cost that they are going to have to pass on to customers meaning higher prices than the competition also.

They could negotiate with the factory to get a reduced price or free product if they fail to deliver the product in the quoted time but good luck with that, these clone factories aren't going to agree with those terms because they're already working to output limits, they can sell more than they can make so there is no incentive for them to agree to such terms when they can just sell to another vendor with no problem and not lose any money.

I'm the same as everyone else it's not an ideal situation but it is the reality of buying cheap goods from Chinese vendors, they all do business in the same way, they place an order with a factory, get a delivery date from the factory, advertise the goods for sale with a shipping date calculated on the delivery date they get from the factory.
Some are better with communication and customer service but they all have the same business model in terms of how they advertise and sell.

Not our problem that they have unreliable suppliers yet still publish their ETAs, BTW ETA was a convenient term for it that I used 3f state unambiguously "We will ship out in 3~5 business days" no wiggle room there.  You are completely missing my point, it is not  why things are late at all, it is they sell something that will be shipped in x-y days, not maybe shipped if all goes to plan, but a definite time-frame that turns out to have been at best over optimistic estimate. 

Yes things sometimes go wrong and that is when the best vendors will do a little extra or maybe you think I should feel sorry for them, I don't, I feel sorry for Ella as a person but not the company I did not force them to put these time frames up.  For all I know maybe this supplier often misses dates and they are aware of that and have just been string us along so we don't cancel, we have no way of knowing and I am not saying this is the case.

Nope don't expect you to feel sorry for them at all, i was just pointing out they don't have control over a manufacturer failing to deliver product on time like your pizza shop example does that's all.
Some of these items multiple factories produce so the vendor has the option of going to another supplier but others are items where only 1 factory is making that particular product so they're kinda over a barrel themselves.

They for sure could handle communication and resolution better though.

[phatfil]

Also there is a degree of fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice, shame on me, so if you/I/we have been bitten/let down with one pre-order we cant really complain too loudly when a second also goes awry..

I for one wont buy under presale conditions again unless im very drunk when vape shopping ..

[VapingBad]

Nothing to do with pizza Get Off My Cloud just the fulfilment business in general, just knowing your supply chain and only using suppliers you can trust. If you say you will do something by a date be sure, you are betting your reputation on it and if things do go wrong despite your best efforts try and minimise the effect to your customer and if that is not possible compensate them, keep them happy and they will come back.

My post that started this was only saying if any vendor misses a ship date they should automatically upgrade the shipping to a faster service if that would help to offset the loss in time, good customer service and I don't understand what is controversial about that.

[VapingBad]

Jul 2, 2015 1:28:52 GMT phatfil said:

Also there is a degree of fool me once, shame on u, fool me twice, shame on me, so if you/I/we have been bitten/let down with one pre-order we cant really complain too loudly when a second also goes awry..

I for one wont buy under presale conditions again unless im very drunk when vape shopping ..

True for a single vendor, but it not right to tar them all with the same brush, personally this was my first order with 3f.

[Ella]

I am sorry for you. I did a poor job in the communication. And this comments is from my own explaination and it is not an action on 3fvape's behalf.

Our rule is first ordered, first delivery. But as a vendor representative here for 3fvape. I want to try my best to help you solve your problems. So I asked for your order number marking for priority and to urge my colleagues to pack and send your order. No matter you complain or not, if you send me your order number, I do the same thing.

About the supply chain and other problem you discussed, it is very complicated here and cannot be explained in words. About reos, it is defective so we returned them to factory which caused the delay and delay.