Temp control

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Ask away.....it's a TC thread.

Anyone not into TC can choose to ignore it.

[buggritt]

I don't think it was particularly scathing. Unless pointing out the obvious is scathing.
Just take anyone's claims with a pinch of salt. It is simply, scientifically, not possibly to make juice go further without adding more juice. It can't be done unless you are inhaling less per "puff".
I think it would be daft to pay the same for a non tc mod as a tc one as it gives you the choice. So get one, but don't expect miracles. I've just bought one myself.

[robby]

The only way you could reduce juice usage is to use the TC mod with the power higher than you would expect and control the vapour quantity purely by adjusting the temperature. I am not sure that 10 degree steps are going to give you a fine enough difference per stop though. Must try it sometime

But see disclaimer below

EDIT .... 

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Jun 6, 2015 18:27:04 GMT debra465 said:

Steady on buggritt. No need to be so scathing.

It was a genuine question, and given that the manufacturer of the mod @yavape is talking about, claims lower juice usage with some interesting numbers etc, it deserved a better answer, rather than a patronising common sense, emperors new clothes blah blah

Was going to join in the thread, as I have lots of questions, having just bought a TC mod, but not sure I'd ask a sensible enough question for some.

Thank you yes debra465 my question was purely because that's what it states on the website .
So my question was to see if anyone has found this.
I'm having no problems with the Rta's and kanthal I'm using and am using what should be used juice wise, but as most mods now have tc and I'm due a new one for my birthday I just wanted to learn about it.
And seeing as though you can use or not use then I shall be getting one to see if I like it , makes sense to me
Thank you everyone for your replies

[flavourtank]

Jun 6, 2015 18:56:04 GMT @yavape said:

Jun 6, 2015 18:27:04 GMT debra465 said:

Steady on buggritt. No need to be so scathing.

It was a genuine question, and given that the manufacturer of the mod @yavape is talking about, claims lower juice usage with some interesting numbers etc, it deserved a better answer, rather than a patronising common sense, emperors new clothes blah blah

Was going to join in the thread, as I have lots of questions, having just bought a TC mod, but not sure I'd ask a sensible enough question for some.

Thank you yes debra465 my question was purely because that's what it states on the website .
So my question was to see if anyone has found this.
I'm having no problems with the Rta's and kanthal I'm using and am using what should be used juice wise, but as most mods now have tc and I'm due a new one for my birthday I just wanted to learn about it.
And seeing as though you can use or not use then I shall be getting one to see if I like it , makes sense to me
Thank you everyone for your replies

hi

I purchased a tc mod .

When you use nickel wire it is flimsy compared to kanthel.
if the tc option is active on the mod you won't be able to test it for hot spots, if the tc mode is off and you fire it the nickel will just break.

I had difficulty with nickel, I couldn't get a decent vape or a sturdy ohm reading.

Until I received pre made coils from ft
I coiled my subtank mini and put the wick in (cotton bacon).

0.22ohm 25w 380f
so far I've not had a problem yet.

Juice consumption suppose it depends how much you vape.

As you may have read it's all about working out what works for you.
steam engine calculator works really well.

My vape now is better and smoother.

I still use kanthel but mainly on nickel.

Pros
no dry hits
smoother vape

Cons
nickel is flimsy



Hope that helps in any way.

[VapingBad]

Jun 6, 2015 17:03:36 GMT buggritt said:

Jun 6, 2015 9:18:30 GMT @yavape said:

Do any of you find that your juice does last longer ???

Thank you once again for all the replies I'm glad I asked now

There are times when you have to use your common sense. How on earth would it be possible to make your juice last longer? Some "think" it does. They probably believe in magic. Power heats wire, wire heats juice, vapour is inhaled.
TC can't alter that. As far as coils and cotton lasting longer - this can only be if you were burning the wick before, which means you were getting it wrong.
I agree that TC is the choice at the price point, there's no difference. And it's perfect for new vapers. Old vapers can use it or not for preference.
A lot of the comment you see around the web is the Emperors new clothes syndrome . Of course it's so much better, I've bought a new mod.

OK common sense, not hocus pocus:

The dna preheat make each puff more satisfying as I don't have to wait a second or 2 for it to get to the sweet spot and puff are shorter, form 6 secs to probably 4, at least a 15 % saving. I have not bothered to measure, but the difference is obvious when swapping back to kanthal builds I need longer drags to satisfy.

You can vape your wick dry, when changing wicks on a kantal build I reckon I throw away a ml each time which is nearly 20% of the tanks capacity  (Orchid) and I have to change after every tank full with my liquid.

I reckon boiling to fast will waste another percent or two.

All rough guesses, but there is some saving, not the 35% and would vary form person to person, but like I mentioned about changing flavours being able to vape the tank and wick dry and still enjoy it is a real thing.

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You're going to like this ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not a lot, but you'll like it.

[buggritt]

The first point is not logical, only my opinion. The satisfaction is from vapourised liquid. If one takes a nine second drag, and the other six for that satisfaction (Jagger must have been using an ego), it must be using the same amount of liquid in a shorter time. You can't get more from it than is there.
You can vape an ordinary build to almost dry, not bone dry admittedly, but close. If you could be bothered.
I think the manufacturers claims are barmy. But I have one on the way. If I ever get round to buying any Titanium, as if I need more wire, I will try it naturally.

[VapingBad]

It is entirely logical buggritt I take shorter drags on the DNA with nickel as opposed to kanthal QED use less liquid. It is something I noticed when vaping kanthal after nickel. It is just an observation, I don't remember saying temp limiting saves juice and had not really thought about it until you said it was magic. I don't think it is a reason to change, just a tiny bonus that you may never notice.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Jun 6, 2015 18:31:23 GMT kreed said:

Ask away.....it's a TC thread.

Anyone not into TC can choose to ignore it.

Well i'd say anyone not tried temp control opinion isn't much use but i've tried it and i'm not into it and i have reasons why so i don't think it's fair to say anyone not into it should ignore it.

I've used genuine DNA40 devices, i've used at least 2 clone DNA40 chips, i've used the ADT chip and the Yihi chip some are more accurate than others, some work better than others but overall they all work to one degree or another the only TC chip that seems to have been a total fail thus far is the Smok one all the others seem to work it's just a matter of which has the most accurate readings and implements the temp limiting best.

The principle is sound and most manufactures seem to have implemented the technology good enough that it works but i figure it's only fair to point out the vape expereince isn't universal among all vapers with temp control.
The tech seems fine and i can see it's only going to be refined better as time goes on but as it stands the use of nickel wire is what spoils it for me it's far too flimsy and unstable and for me personally it mutes the flavour unless i turn the temperature limit up to the point where it's beyond the scorching temperature of cotton anyway.
I'm interested in trying out titanium perhaps i'll get a better experience from that and maybe the stock factory heads work better but i like to build my own coils and flavour is a big issue for me not only the stability of the coil.

It's largely all academic anyway because it's an optional thing you can turn on or off and i don't see manufacturers charging any more for it than they were charging for regular VW chips really.
It's kinda like the thing where people ask why anyone wants a 150w box mod like it's a mandatory thing to vape at 150w if you buy a 150w mod.

I think buggritt is right that the juice consumption thing is largely marketing nonsense although subjectively not very diplomatic in his language he's right technology can't break physical laws you can only get X volume of vapour from X volume of liquid.
The only possible way to consume less fuel in this case ejuice is to use that fuel more economically, now while that works fine in things like cars which get better mileage per gallon it's not going to be the same for something like vaping.
In a car burning fuel it's just driving pistons and ultimately pushing you along no experience loss but with vaping you are directly consuming the result from burning the fuel so of course less vapour per burn is going to directly be experienced.
That is the only physical way you can possibly save liquid aside from what VapingBad says about vaping the tank dry each time you fill it, but that only really becomes an issue when switching flavours.
Plus i dunno about anyone else but most of the time even when switching flavours i generally just vape the liquid down to almost gone then just fill with the new juice anyway, the flavour from the old juice goes away soon enough.

[VapingBad]

The saving liquid thing is just grasping at straws to try and find faults, I had not seen anyone making the claim before and the first time I have encountered it was it being disputed in this thread, total non issue. The difference in coiling with nickel, not harder just different and the fragility of nickel are far more legitimate complaints IMO. But the biggest sin is the lack of guidance from the manufactures IMO.

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[Get Off My Cloud]

Jun 6, 2015 23:07:00 GMT VapingBad said:

The saving liquid thing is just grasping at straws to try and find faults, I had not seen anyone making the claim before and the first time I have encountered it was it being disputed in this thread, total non issue. The difference in coiling with nickel, not harder just different and the fragility of nickel are far more legitimate complaints IMO. But the biggest sin is the lack of guidance from the manufactures IMO.

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From what i understand it was a manufacturer making the claim of it saving liquid seems fair enough to dispute that claim.

[VapingBad]

Jun 6, 2015 23:21:39 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Jun 6, 2015 23:07:00 GMT VapingBad said:

The saving liquid thing is just grasping at straws to try and find faults, I had not seen anyone making the claim before and the first time I have encountered it was it being disputed in this thread, total non issue. The difference in coiling with nickel, not harder just different and the fragility of nickel are far more legitimate complaints IMO. But the biggest sin is the lack of guidance from the manufactures IMO.

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From what i understand it was a manufacturer making the claim of it saving liquid seems fair enough to dispute that claim.

I have never seen the claim other than on this thread, I don't doubt a vendor put it up, but if so it is just marketing and a distraction.  It can save a bit of liquid according to the laws of physics due to shorter vapes and less down time vaporising before you get to temperature and I just pointed that out as it is easy to dismiss things before you understand them.  The physics of liquid consumption vs coil temp, super heating and forget the term, but the effect where the super hot steam around the coil actually heats the liquid when you over power the coil are interesting, but I don't think any of us have a real grasp on that.

[decoy]

[buggritt]

I'm a Yorkshireman Get Off My Cloud. Diplomacy? It's all Greek to me.