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Post by letsavit on Jun 14, 2015 1:13:28 GMT
Dr F the guru of vaping..... sorry in one of my moods today Was smoking 30 fags aday started vaping at 24mg, dropped to 8mg within months, relapsed back to smoking and was on about 10 a day...cutting down on fags was never possible for me, all or nothing.....now on 6mg with plenty of juice, will be dropping to 4mg next time I mix. He is a good guy, actively researches vaping and exposes a lot of the junk science out there. He didn't say anything that disagrees with what you wrote above, it was not a big deal, but just that the more liquid you consume the more risk, he didn't say it was a big risk, but he and Dr Mayer did say that posting cloud chasing videos is bad for vaping. See for yourselves Yea loads more bolloxs again "more risk" "very low risk" no facts... The 5% risk compared to smoking, what amount of juice is that based on because if its 2.5ml then I have only cut my risk by 50% then. He speaks for all vapors but I personally have the same juice consumption regardless of nicotine, always been a lot....! There is also a counter argument that lung inhales delivers nicotine to the blood stream more efficiently, thus less puffs/juice required. Read his report on temperatures yet not one temperature was listed against the quantity of chemicals produced...summary if it don't taste like burnt shit then "little risk". I want to cut my nictone as i don't like the fact I'm addicted to it, so I'll take my chances on his data of little risk a bit more than the other little risk. Now Dr guru vapor F says not to post "clouds" on YouTube, what is the level of clouds you can show on you tube? really low risk ones are ok but not the other low risk ones. The media seem to no nothing of cloud chasing, lung inhaling etc and if anyone is being watched it's him so maybe he shouldn't be mentioning it...... Yes he is good for our cause in someways but don't tell me how to vape with little facts.
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Post by VapingBad on Jun 14, 2015 1:37:47 GMT
He is not telling you how to vape letsavit, it's to easy to take a comment out of context and read to much into the perceived advice given in interviews where the subject is asked what do you think about this of that. And the constant was do what you want you are an adult and it is much better that tobacco. If he pulled the punches he would be sod all use as a writer of scientific studies. I pretty much agree with all they said and to me that was vaping way safer than smoking, if you can vape less liquid for the same satisfaction it is likely to be a little safer if not still safer than smoking, cloud chase as much as you like just don't post it on youtube etc. He is just being honest, don't shot the messenger.
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Post by VapingBad on Jun 14, 2015 1:42:43 GMT
EG In the video they talked about how it is OTT using protective glove handling nicotine, seen load of post saying it's a must and you will get ill. They even talk about how the slight thing they say get blown out of proportion.
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Post by letsavit on Jun 14, 2015 2:21:21 GMT
He is not telling you how to vape letsavit, it's to easy to take a comment out of context and read to much into the perceived advice given in interviews where the subject is asked what do you think about this of that. And the constant was do what you want you are an adult and it is much better that tobacco. If he pulled the punches he would be sod all use as a writer of scientific studies. I pretty much agree with all they said and to me that was vaping way safer than smoking, if you can vape less liquid for the same satisfaction it is likely to be a little safer if not still safer than smoking, cloud chase as much as you like just don't post it on youtube etc. He is just being honest, don't shot the messenger. Not shooting the messages mate , my orignal comment was to the first post from davetherayon, since then I have re read all posts and watched the vid, it seems for most thier consumption has not gone up since dropping. So not a scientific study by Dr guru just his opinion (or personal experience) to advise against dropping the substance we are addicted to and puts us risk, all be it a lot lower than a smoker is wrong...IMHO. My experience of lung inhaling and higher watts MTL (low to many) now makes fags taste weak with no satisfaction, a postive on my behalf as I now prefer vaping.
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Post by thatguy on Jun 14, 2015 2:47:46 GMT
Personally, I vape at about 4.5mg/ml at home when I'm free to vape when I want to, but at work when I have to leave the premesis (not too many chances to do this as a teacher) I vape at about 8mg/ml. I find the higher nic content useful as I'm going longer periods between vaping. As for the amount of e liquid I vape, I'm not too worried about it. Mixing at home keeps the cost very low and honestly, compared to smoking, puffing through 10 or even 20 mls a day is a huge reduction in both risk and harm.
Vaping for me is firstly about fulfilling the nic craving and staying off the cigarettes, but also about enjoying a vape. I honestly believe that the enjoyment factor (along with the hand to mouth movement/habit) is why vaping is so much more successful than NRT offered by big pharma.
Do gum/patches/sprays/hypnotherapy replace the physical habits? No. Do they give any pleasure? No? Vaping does both of these while being regarded by genuine scientists as being safe(many even compare the toxicants in vaping to those in general air pollution).
Lower nic and/or less consumption msy be better for our health, but never forget the bigger picture - Vaping keeps us of the fags, and it would take an incredible, biology defying amount of e liquid use or basically vaping nic base to make the vaping harm even approach that of old school cigarettes. Just vape what you need to stay smoke free and don't feel guilty about it.
I find these arguements to be very similar to the safe sex arguments around the world. We are not going to stop people having sex. WE are not going to stop people using nicotine. What we can do is promote the safe indulgence in both of them.
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Post by vapee on Jun 14, 2015 3:18:05 GMT
I think Dr F sometimes makes some recommendations because he must get alot of questions asked and sees people worried about certain things so he makes an educated guess on some things or mentions his observations so if anyones worried about say flavouring they can up their nic level and then possibly vape less flavouring in theory, I think he personally finds it all way safer than smoking so is not too concerned really but is getting the facts out eventually so people can make informed decisions and also to inform any lawmakers about the real benefits and any risks.
I think in many cases when you up the nic level you may end up vaping less but i think if it was to be studied it would not be an exact level at all that can be predicted, like it may be possible to get used to higher nic in the bloodstream or less over time too.
Its interesting too he said that its good the industry has moved to pyrex glass from plastics however he thinks even before with plastics there was still a low chance that much material made its way to the liquid and then ultimately into the vapor. It sounds like its all low risk and way safer than smoking however if theres an easy way or cheap way to change materials and not lose the vape experience then it may aswell be done.
It did seem though when he spoke about not dry burning the coils the other day that it was potentially dangerous to, but he then clarified in the video posted on this thread that it is not as bad as had been interpreted as low amounts of material would ever leave the coil.
About the big clouds videos being an issue, I guess its something those wanting to make a case against vaping can say looks over the top and not healthy maybe but then they can say that about so many things with no actual proof, there really is not much that anyone can do about it, theres tonnes of videos out there and there will probably always be loads more. If people want to know what its all about and whether its unhealthy compared to less vapor etc then they need to research for themselves otherwise they'll just make uninformed judgements and rely on the opinions of others mainly.
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Post by wil7985 on Jun 14, 2015 4:58:15 GMT
I started vaping 24mg then 18 mg, last week cut down to 12mg and have been sub-ohming 6mg in the evenings/weekends for the last month. My juice consumption has gone up a little but I think that's down to using better tanks now, compared to when I first started vaping.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 8:53:54 GMT
I'm just going to say it - I'm addicted to nicotine . Simples (I'm also a caffeine addict! LOL) Yes I am reducing. Mainly cos of the TPD. Otherwise I wouldn't bother! Too much hassle Yes I chain vape. But still.... As other's have said - Dr F's comments have probably been taken out of context and there's loads of different factors in the amount you vape. So long as FT still sends me goodies periodically I'm happy
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Post by jamesrd on Jun 14, 2015 15:00:02 GMT
thanks lads for the info on strong flavours and the companies , I'll give them a try. cheers Jamesrd
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Post by yourgurnard on Jun 16, 2015 20:16:05 GMT
This is dead interesting! When I realised how good vaping was, as a viable alternative to smoking, I looked to upgrade from the e-go....got mini pro-tanks,... & get some good baccy-flavoured juice. I ordered from bestecigliquid, & bought the highest nic they offered....36mg...on the basis that I was a fairly heavy roll-up smoker. I counted how many drags I got out of a rollie (12!) & religiously only took 12 drags on My e-cig before putting it down for a while! Then, (of course!!) I got an MVP....Drippers....then Mechs.....& DISCOVERED HoL Juices!!...the FLAVOUR I was now getting stopped all the 'Puff Counting' & I thought that I oughta therefore cut down on the nico level, seeing as I was now pretty much chain-vaping!! (albeit at 24mg, rather than 36mg). Next stage was steeping My own Tobacco.....& still chain-vaping 'cos I've got lotsa different baccys to play with!! Latest mixes are therefore down to 12mg. ....Oh, Havana Leaf, steeped in 36mg. Nic Liquid 50/50 for a Month, & then dripped in a Magma, tastes GREAT......but gives a lousy Headache, Surprise-Surprise!!!
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Post by yourgurnard on Jun 16, 2015 20:19:08 GMT
.....In my head I'm a smoker who vapes instead Makes sense to me, if no one else Makes Perfect Sense to Me!!............NOW You're worried!!!!
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Post by ampsy on Jun 18, 2015 19:52:28 GMT
I started off on 24 went down to 18 now I am on 12mg, and I am definitely vaping more...maybe it's just that I am liking the juice/flavour too much:-)))
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Post by yourgurnard on Jun 18, 2015 20:15:00 GMT
I started off on 24 went down to 18 now I am on 12mg, and I am definitely vaping more...maybe it's just that I am liking the juice/flavour too much:-))) ....Succinctly put in 2 lines wot I waffled on for 1/4 page about!.....Wanna P.A. Job?
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Post by yourgurnard on Jun 18, 2015 20:24:32 GMT
I find these arguements to be very similar to the safe sex arguments around the world. We are not going to stop people having sex. WE are not going to stop people using nicotine. What we can do is promote the safe indulgence in both of them. Spot on!.......& if anyone wants an evening in 'promoting'.....just pm Me!!!!
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Post by ampsy on Jun 18, 2015 22:06:26 GMT
Thanks yourgurnard but I think I will decline your kind offer of a job, you may put up a "no vaping sign" eeeeek!!!
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