Another good press article

[Anne (fuzzy)]

Mar 12, 2012 20:23:04 GMT hifistud said:

That's fine if you're happy with just the Nicadex available to you, and all other e-cigs and juices effectively banned. As it happens, I'm not.

As it happens, I'm not. I'll second that.

[foxy9212]

If e-cigs/juice are banned, ie/criminalized, forums such as this one will likely no longer exist. If the EU gets it's way, there might well be a ban on, say, credit/debit cards being used to make purchases and carriers transporting supplies cross-border. Life could be made very difficult for vapers - this is the worst case scenario but, then, I'm a pessimistic old bat!

There's a list of some of the many harmful chemicals in ciggies HERE Fancy an analogue?

Fox

[womble]

Mar 12, 2012 20:23:04 GMT hifistud said:

Mar 12, 2012 13:09:55 GMT womble said:

The problem is, that the e cigs are good for stopping people smoking, you can bang on all you like about the problems it will cause if people continue saying it.
But they are going to say it, because it is.

That's fine if you're happy with just the Nicadex available to you, and all other e-cigs and juices effectively banned. As it happens, I'm not.

I think you misunderstand me, the people who are talking about e-cigs being good at getting people to give fags up, are the people who are writing the articles and they are going on research done.

The facts are, that ecigs are great for getting people to give up cigarettes, this may not be the way the UK vendors are having to play it, but it doesn't alter the fact.

Of course I won't be happy if what you say happens, it would be a bloody disaster to me, but unless you contact every journalist in the US and Europe and ask them not to say it, I can't see how it's going to work, as there must be research going on asking this exact question.
Even then you'd get the anti ecig writers calling it a conspiracy.

[kirsty0108]

Got to say I really liked this article and the actual published version was a bit more balanced , with two bubbles that had the government view (ie we don't recognise this as a quit smoking device) and also some evidence from a US study about how successful they have been and also a bit about how there is evidence that e-cigs do contain small traces of carcinogens but no more than NRT products .

The bit that got me thinking was the misnomer NRT they don't replace nicotine they give you it , is there a case for e-cigs to be known as Tobacco Replacement products as that is what they actually do ? Has this been discussed before?

[Deleted]

The fact is you haven't given up smoking if you are still vaping , you have only given up smoking tobacco products other than nicotine !

[domesticextremist]

Well there's the rub - until the arrival of vaping, giving
up smoking also meant giving up nicotine.

The demonisation of smoking has also meant the
demonisaiion of nicotine, as that is the substance that stimulates
the repeated use of tobacco.

The reality is that using nicotine isn't really that harmful in suib-toxic
doses, and whilst addictions are not to be encouraged, it is probably
no worse for you than caffeine.

So I think the time has come to make a clear distinction between stopping
smoking and kicking the nicotine habit.

Most NRT available today is really smoking cessation therapy. Classifying e-cigs
as SCT would be the most sensible thing to do.

[kirsty0108]

SCT ? Dom

[domesticextremist]

Smoking Cessation Therapy

[durinthiam]

Mar 12, 2012 23:22:04 GMT @storm said:

The fact is you haven't given up smoking if you are still vaping , you have only given up smoking tobacco products other than nicotine !

Technically you have if you go by the definition of smoking...
Anywhoodles, i'd very much like to legally obtain my lovely lovely ejuice and not have to be lumbered with horrible government approved stuff PAH!

[womble]

Mar 12, 2012 23:22:04 GMT @storm said:

The fact is you haven't given up smoking if you are still vaping , you have only given up smoking tobacco products other than nicotine !

There is no smoke involved, so how could you ever classify vaping as smoking?

If you chew tobacco, or snuf, then you're not smoking, if you do something that looks like smoking (vaping), it doesn't mean you are smoking either.

It might look like you're smoking, it might feel like you're smoking, but you're not actually smoking.

That's the way I look at it anyway.

[Gordy]

Vaping is simply an alternative to smoking

alot of people smoke and continue to smoke because they enjoy it and not because they are addicted ...the physical addiction can be overcome in a matter of weeks. people still go back to smoking however after years away simply because they like it or like how it makes them feel. whether that be less stressed or whatever

vaping is like a 'safe' brand of cigarettes... what smoker wouldnt choose a safe cigarette if it gave them the same experience to their current brand? you'd be crazy not to right?

I guess the difficulty lies in the naming of the products ...if smoking were called an inhalation product and the act of smoking called inhalating then vaping would also share that name with the differences being what you actually inhaled a substance that didnt contain harmful chemicals

think of it this way if you were wanting to give up drinking beer due to the harm it could do to you. you decided to chose a non alcoholic beer ...the non alcoholic beer could help you to quit drinking alcohol but would they then slap a medical approval certificate on it and get doctors to dispense it? so why do this to vaping? ok maybe not the greatest example but you can kinda see the point, the non alcoholic beer wouldnt be used short term for you to kick the habit but as a long term healthier substitute and this is how i see e-cigs 'a healthier substitute'

so to call an e-cig a cessation device would be misleading IMHO

yes of course i would welcome seeing it tested and verified as a safe product / activity.

[foxy9212]

Vaping is NOT smoking any more than sticking a patch on your bum is smoking! When vaping, you're only 'giving up' the KNOWN nasties that cause havoc in the body/respiratory system, you are simply taking nicotine in pretty dilute quantities much the same as sticking a patch on the bum, except that by producing vapour we are tricking the brain into thinking we're smoking and we also satisfy the hand-to-mouth habit, as is the case with the dreaded white inhalator cessation device. The only difference between the ecig and the inhalator is that the ecig produces vapor and tastes pretty good - the latter is likely the reason the MHRA/Government Officials can't stand the thought of vapers being allowed to continue as we are.

Fox

[Karma]

I still feel like I'm smoking, I think that's why I like vaping so much :-[