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Post by Chrissie on Mar 24, 2012 20:27:35 GMT
Anthony, hope this update on how my neighbours are doing is going to help I ordered the 2 Riva kits (plus a couple of bottles of e-liquid) for them on Sunday & they arrived Tuesday. Since then, the hubby (who was totally unconvinced an e-cig would work), has only smoked 2 ciggies & says he now prefers his Riva to a cigarette His wife has cut down from 20 to just 2 a day. Both of them have tried everything else in the past to give up or just cut down & nothing else has worked for them.
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Post by Andy Thatcher on Mar 29, 2012 1:36:27 GMT
Welcome on board !
Going to broach a question you have asked a couple of times but hasn't been answered to date.
Regarding Lambert and Butler flavoured juice. Here is the truth. There is nothing that tastes like it. Sorry to be blunt but there you go.
Now that said let's look at something else then go back to the juice side of things. Give me a second I will get back there.
Now the reason you want the juice to taste like Lambert and Butler is that this is the flavour you associate with getting nicotine into your system. Just to reassure you it isn't only you but most of us. I live in the States and was smoking a brand called Doral. One of the first orders I made featured this "flavour".
Received it, vaped it. yuk. Not what I had been smoking. Then the reasoning above struck me. Why did I want that flavour ? Well I associated it with how I fixed my nicotine addiction. I also realised that if I could dislike a flavour then the opposite also had to be true. It is just a case of finding the nicotine level that satisifes your addiction then just trying flavours till you hit something you like.
For me that nicotine level is 18mg. Took a week or so to work that out, yeah I make no claim to be the brightest. Then I started going through flavours.
Happy to say that I have 5 absolutely go to flavours and on the look out for more. Why ? Well again it is breaking the association between how I get my nic fix and cigs. As a smoker I was fairly consistent with the brand I smoked. In the UK it was SuperKings Blue. Smoked them for years. So vaping I change flavours to disassociate that link.
That all said try the juice that claims to be Lambert and Butler, it won't be, learn and move on to the vast cornucopia of flavour delights there are out there. Once I got my head around it I was fine.
Oh once you do find "the Juice" you will sneak somewhere, let's say behind the bike shed as history says that is where all bad deeds are done, and sneak a Lambert and Butler.
Yuk you will go.
Yes I started this trying to just cut down. It grabs you and before you know it you have quit. Shame really I liked smoking but have to say I love vaping.
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Post by astan78 on Apr 3, 2012 19:04:05 GMT
Hello and thank you all once again for your time and assistance.
Firstly Perpetua, thank you very much indeed for posting that video but not for the reason you might think.
The E-cigg that was given to my mother several years ago had no buttons and thus was not a consideration during this information harvesting exercise.
The problem is my mother has osteoarthritis, both of her wrists are roded and her thumbs fused. Pushing that small button five times to turn on and off again would cause her severe and I mean severe pain, and the prospect of holding it while taking a puff would be impossible.
Please tell me that the Riva 1100 is not the same, if it is we are back to square one. She would probably be able to manage a button to turn on and off but no way would she be able to manage to hold down a button while holding it to inhale.
Andythatcher & The Pheonix thank you for the info I guess that part if I ever manage to get to the stage of ownership sounds like trial and error which given the low cost of the liquid I am happy to play ball with, regardless thank you for the information.
Kind regards and many thanks again Anthony & Doreen
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Post by Karma on Apr 3, 2012 19:17:00 GMT
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Post by foxy9212 on Apr 3, 2012 19:34:22 GMT
The regular Riva button isn't hard to press at all - too easy sometimes. The Screwdriver Keyring is a great product but the battery life isn't good enough to be a main device. Also, if you're a relatively heavy smoker, you will likely need a stronger e-liquid. I started with 38mg that was too strong and reduced to 18mg via 24mg. I found some of the tobacco flavours really nice even though they weren't what I was used to smoking at all. I've now drifted away from those as I don't want to 'remember' my smoking days but I do understand they may be necessary in the first instance, to keep away from tobacco entirely. Welcome to our forum Anthony (and Doreen), enjoy your stay. Fox
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Post by tafilad on Apr 3, 2012 19:50:52 GMT
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Post by Karma on Apr 3, 2012 19:53:40 GMT
Fox is right, the buttons aren't at all stiff, but I guess that may not be the problem for your mum if her thumb is fused? I have OA in my thumb joints, early stages but can still be sore and inconvenient. I do find you get a better draw from the manuals (push button), I have gone from a cig-a-like manual to a riva to a lava tube and a couple of cheap mods. I'm back on the riva tonight as I decided to try the stardust things again. Obviously, i'm still able to use a manual button but it is easier on my wrists to have a wider tube or my small box mod and I find my manual cig-a-likes very uncomfortable to hold Why don't you give the SKD a try for your mum? You could always think about getting a Riva for yourself and letting mum try it? The SDK has around 1/3 - 1/2 the battery capacity of the Riva so to last all day for one person you would probably need 3! I'm sure there is a solution out there for you both but perhaps the same set up will not be suitable for both of you Keep asking for help and updating, wishing you both well
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Post by Chrissie on Apr 3, 2012 20:08:28 GMT
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Post by Karma on Apr 3, 2012 20:20:08 GMT
I was wondering what your thoughts would be Chrissie with your hand problem? It's a difficult one as we are all different, I was thinking the SDK as it's chunkier, I seem to have more problems holding thinner objects
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Post by Chrissie on Apr 3, 2012 20:25:39 GMT
It is a difficult one Karma. I am starting to be able to hold a few light weight things in my right hand, but if anything, finding the SD Keyring too small to be able to get it into any position that is comfortable to grip However, that could be due to the splint being in the way more than anything as part of it wraps round the palm of my hand.
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Post by Karma on Apr 3, 2012 20:32:32 GMT
Poor you, not easy (((hugs))) Bet you can't wait to get that splint off? You would probably struggle even more tho with a skinny cig-a-like? I find my small (tiny) hand motor skills being more and more affected Give me a great big tube to get my hand around, sorry :-[
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Post by Chrissie on Apr 3, 2012 20:39:13 GMT
Nothing to say sorry for Karma I can actually use my huge GGTS in my right hand by pressing the button into my palm - well in short bursts
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Post by Karma on Apr 3, 2012 21:01:14 GMT
Where there is a will there is a way I used to find using lighters quite painfull! Astan, how does your mum cope with lighting/holding her ciggie at the moment? Let us know, as it could help us recommend something! I often drop things and all risk considered I'd rather drop an e-cig. i'm sure even though your mum has problems there is an e-cig system out there that would suit her
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Post by Chrissie on Apr 3, 2012 21:17:55 GMT
Excellent, thoughtful post Karma
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Post by Andy Thatcher on Apr 6, 2012 2:53:57 GMT
May have written this for you Astan.
Not sure why but I have started typing at random and blogging it on another forum but this may help you a bit. Actually the second blog post I wrote on that forum was a direct copy of the post I made earlier on this thread.
If it helps, fantastic. If not, ignore it. It is just words to get through work shift.
Hands up whose first post on a vaping forum was about hardware ?
Jumps up and down with hand in the air.
Well as you can guess mine was but in the replies, I can't remember whose sage advice it was, someone said it is all about the juice.
Eh ? Thought I. In my defence I hadn't even vaped at that point but now with my whole 2 months experience I get it. I do.
You can buy expensive coffee cups. Cheap coffee cups and those middle of the road coffee cups but unless you actually like the coffee in the cup you have an ornament.
PV's or e-cigs are actually the same. They are a mixture of a battery that discharges power to a device nominally an atomizer or cartomizer that vapourises juice. Now some are clever in that you can discharge more or less power to your chosen device. There are some that feed juice from below into your atomizing device or even from above however the analogy with a coffee cup holds true unless you like the juice you have an ornament.
So as you ponder your weapon of choice to enter this brave new world just as much if not more attention should be given to the e-liquid that the PV is going to hopefully going to spend some time reducing to vapour.
So to steal from one of my three year olds favourite shows, Agent Oso no less, there are three special steps you will probably need to go through.
I am going to be brave and suggest that you are reading this as you want to see if these electrical cigorattes thingies work ?
The official line I have seen written all over the place is that e-cigs may help replace the nicotine you currently get from cigarettes. Ok. Got that ?
My personal opinion is a little simpler. Yes, they work. How can I say that ?, you ask. They stopped me from smoking is my reply.
But even thinking about stopping smoking makes me nervous, you say. Really ? Think I can relate to that completely.
Let's see if this helps.
Step One
Espresso, Bold, House or Cappuccino ?
Yep going to keep thrashing the analogy.
So you have reached the point where the e-cig is bought. You are looking at e-liquids bemused by Strawberry Shortcake, Freeze, more fruit than you will find in a green grocers and more deserts than in the freezer aisle in Wal-Mart. What is this Bounty fixation ? Bobas ? Hunter ?
Confusing.
Initially you really need to concentrate on finding the right amount of nicotine in the juice to adequately replace the nicotine you enjoy from your cigarettes. That is it.
Generally e-juice is available in 6/12/18/24 and 36mg strengths. Something in that range will hit the spot.
My first vaping experience was with 24mg juice which I thought was too much. You know a spinning head will give you a sign. I had read somewhere that as I smoked Ultra Light 100's that I should use 12mg juice. Given my previous experience this sounded about right so I ordered some.
Have to say I was close. I went from 25 cigarettes a day to 1 or 2 immediately. That said it wasn't quite enough for me to not have that 1 or 2 a day so I ordered some 18mg juice and that was it. I really was on the way to becoming an ex smoker.
I really do not get too caught up with nicotine strength. To my mind I vape to stop me smoking. As long as I am not in taking the assorted substances that are a special feature of tobacco I am good.
Order a range of strengths in flavours you think you may enjoy. Your body will tell you if it is too strong, the cigarette in your hand will tell you if you need to step it up a bit.
Step Two
Cream, Milk, Sugar or Baileys ?
If you are lucky you may have hit the nail on the head as regards a juice you love to vape.
Or you could be me !
This part of your quest is totally subjective. Different folks love different vapes however remember that if you have found a vape that you dislike that also means there is probably a vape that you like. They are out there waiting for your discovery.
My road to discovery was rather rocky. I created a Sin Bin. Buy it, vape it, hate it, sin bin it.
Now the Sin Bin is actually a rather large pickle jar. It started as a smaller pickle jar so that will tell you how good I am at judging my tastes. The Sin Bin does come in handy. As your taste buds recover from the years of tobacco abuse they can do some odd things to you. Like losing all flavour from the vape.
I use these moments to go through the Sin Bin as there is usually something there I can taste and it reduces the stock of nastiness.
Every now and again something odd happens and a previously disgusting juice changes to something quite pleasant. I think it was my third vaping order I was looking through the Mad Vapes website and noticed Key Lime flavour. Now I love key lime so ordered a small bottle.
I was rather looking forward to the sweet combination of sugary limes and graham crackers after all thought I who would actually just sell a lime juice flavour ? Mad Vapes ! That is who I realised that the citrus flavour hit my tongue with all the assertiveness of a real lime.
The malaise of losing taste hit me a month later and I was going through the Sin Bin with an atomizer dripping through the flavours and my hand lifted the offending bottle. I nearly put it back in the jar with a shudder but thought why not ?
Two drops in the atomizer and I paused to steel myself for the acidic assault and.....hold on that is different. While the citric bite was there is was diminished and there was now an underlying sweetness which was rather delicious. Next time I order from Mad Vapes this flavour will feature and be promptly ignore for a month or so.
I was lucky in that the 18mg juice mentioned earlier was also the best tasting juice I had tasted. For me that vape mail in that nicotine strength was the nail in the head of cigarettes. It wasn't so much of quitting smoking it was more a case of preferring to vape. Bounty Hunter I can say I love you and you will be vaped at least once or twice a week daily.
Step Three
Sit back and savour the flavour.
Just vape. Really that is it.
If you have found the strength of juice that satisfies your needs that is half the battle. Once you find a flavour you like you are set.
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