US Study Says Ecigs No Safer than Smoking

[Get Off My Cloud]

More BS from the US.
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3377730/E-cigarettes-NO-better-regular-smoking-Toxins-devices-cause-cancer-nicotine-FREE.html

[car147]

Hey they have got to find something to justify the lies and false reports from the antz , after all there's serious revenue at stake!no surprise at that rag reporting it either!

[nanotm]

Dec 29, 2015 20:20:40 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

More BS from the US.
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3377730/E-cigarettes-NO-better-regular-smoking-Toxins-devices-cause-cancer-nicotine-FREE.html

an intriguing article since it says we find cellular breakdown after we created an extract from the vapour, from 2 brands of nicotine free e-cigs, to me that says they distilled the vapour into a super strength formulation, yet failed to just apply the vapour directly, the entire article fails to mention what product they tested (which suggests just like the formaldehyde study rubbish they made the product themselves to skew the results) which tends to suggest that far from applying "real science" this so called experiment team utilised some serious creativity to ensure they achieved the pre-arranged narrative to justify the expenditure and that's totally ignoring the fact the researchers are part of veterans affairs san Diego a group that has been crying about lack of funding an inability to provide medical services to the military veterans for the last decade ..... I bet their balance cheet took a nice healthy jump after this umbungo report /

and yes of course it was in the hail they have never forgiven Hitler for loosing ......

[Greg]

Dec 29, 2015 23:37:42 GMT nanotm said:

Dec 29, 2015 20:20:40 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

More BS from the US.
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3377730/E-cigarettes-NO-better-regular-smoking-Toxins-devices-cause-cancer-nicotine-FREE.html

an intriguing article since it says we find cellular breakdown after we created an extract from the vapour, from 2 brands of nicotine free e-cigs, to me that says they distilled the vapour into a super strength formulation, yet failed to just apply the vapour directly, the entire article fails to mention what product they tested (which suggests just like the formaldehyde study rubbish they made the product themselves to skew the results) which tends to suggest that far from applying "real science" this so called experiment team utilised some serious creativity to ensure they achieved the pre-arranged narrative to justify the expenditure and that's totally ignoring the fact the researchers are part of veterans affairs san Diego a group that has been crying about lack of funding an inability to provide medical services to the military veterans for the last decade ..... I bet their balance cheet took a nice healthy jump after this umbungo report /

and yes of course it was in the hail they have never forgiven Hitler for loosing ......

who are they ?

[nanotm]

Greg
the people that own the hail and their ilk

[djs]

I demand a peer review.



dailycaller.com/2015/12/29/media-are-distorting-dubious-study-claiming-e-cigarettes-can-cause-cancer/

[DiscoDes]

[thatguy]

Devices can 'cause cancer even when they're nicotine FREE'



Really?

They highlight nicotine when nicotine is not a proven carcinogen!!! This alone sends the article and research into the land of pink elephants and flying ponies.

Why not test ecig vapour against the polluted air in a city centre. It wouldn't surprise me if the air was more toxic and carcinogenic.

Even if they ever manage to find that ecigs are carcinogenic, it's almost unfathomable that they will be able to prove they damage the respiratory system the way tobacco does. How many of us can say we have noticed a huge increase in lung function and decrease in coughing and mucous production since switching? Almost all of us I would guess.

[nanotm]

Dec 30, 2015 13:14:02 GMT thatguy said:

I noticed that so long as I stay below 60% vg that is certainly the case/

but that might just be the low wattage i'm using rather than the juice itself

[Richard46]

In response to this latest nonsense nice little example here of how vaping is getting more and more support on non-vaping social media. Even six months ago anything vaping related was treated with predominantly hostile responses on this particular forum:

forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2125804

Some anti posts but vapers in majority.

[nanotm]

even the anti type posts are more "concern over contents" than totally against, a standpoint I fully understand which is why some regulation is required, not the nonsense the EU nightmare into existence but something sensible like taking and actual vape kit using it as intended and determining what happens in a lab when the juice is heated, and of course ensuring that "food grade" colourings like titanium dioxide or aluminium oxide are kept well away along with the various additives one company was using which combined together to give organophosphates as 2% of the e-juice...... knowing that whats in the juice has been tested (not every batch, just whenever the components list is changed or a supplier is changed) and a green certificate issued would help a lot more people feel "ok" about vaping and jump on the bandwagon.

what bothers me is that if I don't home brew I have no knowledge of whats going in there, its not like the bottles come with an ingredients list and I don't homebrew currently so I have zero "inherent safety" value in the products other than the anecdotal side that I am not suffering from yet another chest infection and my breathing has generally been less labourious since taking up vaping /