E-cigarettes win first approval as a 'medicine'

[Ron]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/12079130/E-cigarettes-win-first-approval-as-a-medicine-opening-way-for-prescription-by-the-NHS.html

Is this why they are seeming more pro vaping


e-Voke crap e-cigs but big money

[djs]

Well, slap me around the face with a large pizza base.

It's a 3 piece e-cig reminiscent of something from a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

EDIT - Large correction with a few slices of Pepperoni and Chilies.

The photo is what the Telegraph 'think' is an e-cigarette.

Oh, my. That is embarrassing.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Not good news, as soon as it's classified as a medicine that will leave them open to later being classed as a prescription only item.

[Richard46]

the illustration should be titled 'what e-cigs looked like before they made ones that worked'

[nanotm]

Jan 3, 2016 19:03:54 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Not good news, as soon as it's classified as a medicine that will leave them open to later being classed as a prescription only item.

or restrict sales options to all nic juice sold via a chemist only, then again if they restrict all the tobacco companies to being medicinal products and limit their sales opportunities that could be a huge bonus for the rest of the market

it leaves a lot to be desired though I suspect you may be on the right track with the prescription only lark, BAT et al have successfully made vaping banned in several places yet pursued their medical licencing agenda to permit the "unsafe" product to be sold, much the same as certain companies did many years ago with opiates....

[Deleted]

It is nothing like an ecig. It doesn't use a heating element, but rather a pressurised valve system. It is more akin to an asthma spray.

They want part of the NRT market worth $3Billion globally.

[Deleted]

Jan 3, 2016 19:26:27 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 3, 2016 19:03:54 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Not good news, as soon as it's classified as a medicine that will leave them open to later being classed as a prescription only item.

or restrict sales options to all nic juice sold via a chemist only, then again if they restrict all the tobacco companies to being medicinal products and limit their sales opportunities that could be a huge bonus for the rest of the market

it leaves a lot to be desired though I suspect you may be on the right track with the prescription only lark, BAT et al have successfully made vaping banned in several places yet pursued their medical licencing agenda to permit the "unsafe" product to be sold, much the same as certain companies did many years ago with opiates....

I don't think BAT want to stop vaping - they have their Vype product. But they will want to restrict competition through the TPD and also want to play on the medicinal market. They are (were?) also investing heavily in smokeless tobacco (which will allow them to keep their brand names) - they want to sell where they can

Nick

[Get Off My Cloud]

Jan 3, 2016 19:26:27 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 3, 2016 19:03:54 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Not good news, as soon as it's classified as a medicine that will leave them open to later being classed as a prescription only item.

or restrict sales options to all nic juice sold via a chemist only, then again if they restrict all the tobacco companies to being medicinal products and limit their sales opportunities that could be a huge bonus for the rest of the market

it leaves a lot to be desired though I suspect you may be on the right track with the prescription only lark, BAT et al have successfully made vaping banned in several places yet pursued their medical licencing agenda to permit the "unsafe" product to be sold, much the same as certain companies did many years ago with opiates....

The ecig market is a sideline for these tobacco companies, if they could restrict ecig products to medical equipment they have completely removed competition for their main product.
Plus they are likely going to be the ones getting all the contracts from the NHS to supply ecigs for prescription.

[Richard46]

Jan 3, 2016 19:36:44 GMT @kopiert said:

It is nothing like an ecig. It doesn't use a heating element, but rather a pressurised valve system. It is more akin to an asthma spray.

They want part of the NRT market worth $3Billion globally.

I think the e-voke is something different from the voke inhaler. Still a very primitive e-cig but it is an e-cig. I could be wrong.

[nanotm]

Jan 3, 2016 19:36:44 GMT @kopiert said:

It is nothing like an ecig. It doesn't use a heating element, but rather a pressurised valve system. It is more akin to an asthma spray.

They want part of the NRT market worth $3Billion globally.

that's all well and good but the article is talking about the e-Voke details of which can be found here www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/par/documents/websiteresources/con616843.pdf

and this isn't even knew news it was reported a couple of months back just as PHE reported that e-cigs were 95% healthier than cigs ....

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Ignore - wrong product

[Deleted]

Jan 3, 2016 19:45:59 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 3, 2016 19:36:44 GMT @kopiert said:

It is nothing like an ecig. It doesn't use a heating element, but rather a pressurised valve system. It is more akin to an asthma spray.

They want part of the NRT market worth $3Billion globally.

that's all well and good but the article is talking about the e-Voke details of which can be found here www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/par/documents/websiteresources/con616843.pdf

and this isn't even knew news it was reported a couple of months back just as PHE reported that e-cigs were 95% healthier than cigs ....

You may well be right.  Sorry about that. The Voke was approved in 2014 I think.

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Jan 3, 2016 19:44:02 GMT Richard46 said:

Jan 3, 2016 19:36:44 GMT @kopiert said:

It is nothing like an ecig. It doesn't use a heating element, but rather a pressurised valve system. It is more akin to an asthma spray.

They want part of the NRT market worth $3Billion globally.

I think the e-voke is something different from the voke inhaler. Still a very primitive e-cig but it is an e-cig. I could be wrong.

I was wrong - I was referring to the voke, not the e-voke.

Nick

[Richard46]

It is all very confusing; these companies give a lot of time to brand identification so presumably this confusion is deliberate.

[nanotm]

Jan 3, 2016 20:14:30 GMT Richard46 said:

It is all very confusing; these companies give a lot of time to brand identification so presumably this confusion is deliberate.

of course it is, the more confusion and misinformation they can sow the less chance of people converting to vaping so the greater the insurance is their preferred product will continue to generate the gigantic profits, stupid thing is e-cigs could actually generate greater profits given the scale of the market (and had they not attempted to stifle /corrupt /crush it) it would of been possible to just quietly release a product range into the market place utilise mass marketing (since they have the cash) and secure a large chunk of it, utilising a more "live and let live" mantra and most of the smaller operators would likely have folded up shop due to the competition within a few years anyway, thus allowing the likes of BAT to capitalise on their profit making machine and not caused all the fuss.....but no they are underhanded indefensible shysters the lot of them rather like the oil industry has been for the renewables market for the last 50 years ......desperate to maintain the monopoly and monetisation of the doom of humanity because its the simple selfish thing to do !