E-cigarettes win first approval as a 'medicine'

[djs]

Jan 3, 2016 19:14:10 GMT Richard46 said:

the illustration should be titled 'what e-cigs looked like before they made ones that worked'

Genuine LOL...

pmsl.

[jtc]

Ahahahahahaha I know where they can shove that

[ceedee]

Nothing here is unexpected.
Once the TPD had been approved, there were always going to be three classes of vaping device:

1) those with Medical Approval (MA) could be advertised and prescribed by the NHS and Stop Smoking clinics - this is the first one,
2) those that conformed to the TPD design restrictions - 2ml tank, leak-proof refilling and tamper-proof - may even be just as poor as this one, and finally
3) the ones that we use that work; that smokers will be prevented by law from purchasing.

The only important thing about this out-dated, ineffectual and ridiculously-expensive e-cig isn't even that it's made by BAT - it's that the NHS has finally conceded that we've been right all along, that vaping *does* work. So well in fact, that they're actually going to pay for them.
It's a tragedy that they will almost certainly be nearly as useless as the pharmaceutical industry's NRT but that was always the point!

If the PHE report was a fundamentally important milestone for vaping, then this - in time - could be an even more critical one.

[nanotm]

ceedee
you know the big tobacco /pharma companies could if they wanted to produce the same stuff we like (drippers/subtanks/protanks etc) with self builds and e-juices that have zero harm potential when used as recommended (10>15 puffs a few times an hour) they could even regulate the stuff to have zero harmful contents when used anywhere between 5 and 500 watts but they wont do any of that because it would leave the TCI no room to manoeuvre, the entourage requires there be an element of harm in the process in order to justify its continued existence, yet dropping the harm side of things to non existence would allow them to finally stop growing tobacco stop selling cancer sticks and advocate that everyone from 1yr olds to 130yr olds vaped for health, logically the sweet flavours that are being so vilified right now could become safe and used to prevent obesity or tooth decay (in zero nic obviously), everyone and their dog could vape and be 100 times healthier than they are today, it could be marketed as a health supplement and priced nice and low and the volume of sales would see profits hit high points nobody could ever imagine, but now they have realised this option to late and they already bribed all the right people to try and get rid of this profit stealing monster instead of embracing it from the start there stuck unable to go down either road and effectively frozen out of the consumer market, its clear there is harm potential in standard vape gear, from the various TC wires to the construction of the kit to the juice contents to the mods everything is potentially lethal (and in some hands very much so) minor regulation and formula testing would have fixed the problems along with standard labelling and a spot of research, but far from doing the right thing they just went into panic mode and tried ot trample on everything first then realised the error and now cant backpaddle against the current they created in the first place.

what we need is level headed thinking, right now smokers generate about 250mil a week for the treasury whereas vape juice sales are less than 260k a week, so unless they plug that tax gap by whacking £10/ml tax on e-juice there not going to be promoting vaping, total vape sales per year are worth less than 200mill to the tax man and whilst it would be a complete outrage and drive far more people to self mix and buy bulk concentrates from the likes of poundland, your going ot see premium e-juice jump from up to £10 a bottle to at least double that (since were limited to 10ml bottles) and even the likes of one pound liquids will cost £11 a pop with zero bulk goods ....

what we consider overpriced crap from the NHS might just be the cheapest option for everyone who wants to vape .....

[ceedee]

I imagine that where we are is pretty much how the pharmaceutical industry wanted things and I very much doubt that they're regretting it.

While I don't doubt that the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries could produce what you imagine (and a whole lot more), if those products do not align with their motives or objectives they will not invest in them.

Your second paragraph is so confused I'm unable to respond except to note that the motivation behind the TPD was never about the taxation of juices (though any government would love the opportunity to increase their income) but to protect primarily the pharmaceutical industry's NRT products and secondly, the tobacco industry, probably because of their contribution via tobacco duty.

And yes, the TPD is likely to see an increase in the price of juices but probably not by adding a high level of taxation but by reducing the supply of juices.
If the cost of the toxicology tests required by the TPD - estimated to be between £4k and £10k per juice, per nic strength - are real, we're likely to see a very dramatic reduction in the supply and variety of juice on the market.
There are lots of other variables that can't be predicted but I'd be surprised if we don't see (alongside the closure of almost every vape shop in the country) quite a sharp fall in juice availability over the next 16 months. And that will inevitably mean higher prices.

The "overpriced crap" won't just be the "cheapest option for everyone who wants to vape" but - along with probably a handful of other "overpriced crap" products without Medical Approval but regulated under the TPD - the ONLY options for those who don't know how to obtain our decent gear on the black market or direct from China.

That's precisely why we've been fighting the TPD.

As I said: Nothing here is unexpected.

[GunJack]

ashas been discussed before, the e-voke is basically the 10Motives cig-a-like, but which has been through licensing process...... still categorised under "the sort that doesn't work very well"

[GunJack]

p.s. got on to Nick Ferrari on LBC radio this morning, to disagree with e-cigs on NHS, I pointed out the savings from proper vaping (not cig-a-likes) and that people should buy their own....

[monty]

Anyone any good at cartoons? I picture us on a bridge where the Voke is big T parking a tank at one end while at the other end big P is planting explosives (TPD) to be detonated in May.

[jtc]

Jan 4, 2016 10:24:34 GMT GunJack said:

p.s. got on to Nick Ferrari on LBC radio this morning, to disagree with e-cigs on NHS, I pointed out the savings from proper vaping (not cig-a-likes) and that people should buy their own....

Yeah I heard that
Fair play

[GunJack]

Jan 4, 2016 10:57:00 GMT jtc said:

Jan 4, 2016 10:24:34 GMT GunJack said:

p.s. got on to Nick Ferrari on LBC radio this morning, to disagree with e-cigs on NHS, I pointed out the savings from proper vaping (not cig-a-likes) and that people should buy their own....

Yeah I heard that
Fair play

Hurrah!!