microsoft windows spying

[nanotm]

god some tinfoil hat nutters around aren't there,

as has been noted by some already, the telemetry collection is optional (and for users of the pro version so are updates) you can change the default setup by hitting the customize then advanced buttons when hitting the refresh device (custom re-install) and no any future updates don't enable any of it unless you choose to enable them .... I have several systems running in my house (4 tablets, 4 desktops, 4 laptops and 6 mobiles) all on windows the mobiles will be migrating to w10 once that's ready for them, but the remainder work better on 10 than they did on 8.

Cortana is usefull so I use that feature, edge browser is good so I use that, I love that people talk about the tracking side of things and totally fail to realise all that "free" software has bee ndoing it for years, spamdroid/iOS even are so lax they give it to every app maker as well (full unlimited access to everything) at least the widnows mobile locks out the app's ability to spy on everything you do (unless you specifically give it permission to do so) and there is the major difference, the last .nix system I used sent a copy of the data file (much like nt's hidden user data file) that logges every action you undertook to the manufactuer every time an update check was performed and it never asked for permission to do so, I mentioned it to my boss and every system was replaced with a non .nix OS....

when you first get your OOB w10 system it asks you what settings you want and those settings persist in adfinitum, I setup my kids systems to give me total control over their activities, and from time ot time I lock them down as a punishment for them being bad, this means I don't need ot sit on their shoulder as they do everything on their pc and I get emailed reports of activity daily (for one of them I monitor it via my phone's app interface in real time) they are necessarily protected form accessing certain dodgy things but generaly have very few limitations to age appropriate material (an approach I wish .nix ios or even their school would offer or utilise) but as to spying, MS doesn't actually care how you write or speak, it uses the data to make Cortana better for you, after 12 weeks of using and training her my wife's phone no longer recognises anyone elses voice and with vision only she can use more than the 999 calls option (she changed that to allow me access for safety reasons).

the ability of tech to aid us every day only gets better if we allow it to, MS has said that aside from broad stats data it will cease collecting a lot of stuff but needs so much of it now to grow those services, of course it helps that they are more open and honest about what they collect and how thye use that than other companies, Apple /google do the exact same thing in terms of collecting data, indeed they collect considerably more of it and both of their vocie services are monitoring every word 24/7.....

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Jan 21, 2016 9:35:57 GMT izan said:

Mac and Apple did it first.
MS fanbois cry because their data mining will never be as complete as Apples'.

live long and prosper
I

izan Do you have a link or article - I always understood they were pretty strict about harvesting private data, although you talk about mining which implies some thing else

nanotm  OS even are so lax they give it to every app maker as well - I thought Apple stopped this years ago, and it was not systematic but a bug they hadn't fixed. I also thought that their security is so tight the US is considering bringing is a law to compel them to provide a back door.

Cheers

Nick

[nanotm]

Jan 30, 2016 17:10:16 GMT @kopiert said:

Jan 21, 2016 9:35:57 GMT izan said:

Mac and Apple did it first.
MS fanbois cry because their data mining will never be as complete as Apples'.

live long and prosper
I

izan Do you have a link or article - I always understood they were pretty strict about harvesting private data, although you talk about mining which implies some thing else

nanotm  OS even are so lax they give it to every app maker as well - I thought Apple stopped this years ago, and it was not systematic but a bug they hadn't fixed. I also thought that their security is so tight the US is considering bringing is a law to compel them to provide a back door.

Cheers

Nick

that's all smoke and mirrors, thing k about it with a degree of logic, your icrap device can send and receive messages to everyone, if it had the levels of encryption they wibble about publicly then nobody could read them other than the sender..... next point of note, your service provider doesn't see the I-message it gets routed as a data packet through an apple server, if the server doesn't record that message its breaking the law, if that message is encrypted at source then the only way it could be forwarded on to another phone user on a different (non ios) device would be if the server decrypted it first .....

if every person in the world uses an icrap because of its "inherent security" then it becomes a lot easier to utilise visa warrents to a single point and know without any shadow of a doubt you will have unfettered access to everyon in the message chian without their knowledge.

as to the app's the "upgraded feature set" offers you a choice when you install them to allow it system access or cancel the install, your choices are limited to agree to be spied on or use something else.... I know this because my kids get issued icrap from the school and have the latest IOS variant, and we have a variety of spamdroid devices including the latest Os varients and older ones, older versions of spamdroid did give you more install options when you switched on dev mode but only on tablets....

I don't care if all the terrorists use icrap then my windows phone wont be routinely read by the NSA (because there only interested in the bad guys) and the NSA created a games company that half the world plays the games from on spamdroid/ios... I don't have access ot it but that's also fine by me, theres plenty of stuff for me to waste my time on.

of course I could be wrong maybe the extremely slow progress in the public court cases has nothing whatsoever to do with them utilising the smoke n mirrors tactics that allow them to promote the greatness of the most readable platform in the world but since its a .nix variant and they are all based on the same universal gpl that at its core provides 100% unfettered root access I seriously doubt it .

[calnorth]

I think I can remember what was once on the back of MS OS CDs. It was largely "its all at your risk because you bought it". So if anything goes wrong and you are damaged please FoxTrot Oscar!

As regards data monitoring by MS. If "they" took your personal stuff off then they may get close to IPR infringement...if you had the money to pursue. However, all that Cloud stuff and use of online functions via mobiles is simply asking for trouble. Sony!

Pinching data packets is largley dumb when you can easily steal directly from corporate servers with the aid of insiders. Thats how HMRC work...for one.

[nanotm]

yeah well its easy to pinch the packets if your hard wired into the connection servers, DPI is a global spy system, it was paid for by the brittish government and industry partners invented by BT and its operated by a conglomerate group associated with service provision advertising and um spying .....

when your intercepting every packet in transit you don't need to waste time with warrents and phone company records (soon all text messaging services will be done via "internet data" to make things easier) especially in the case of GCHQ who actually own all the data tap's and peer points between subscriber lines and providers so you know they have everything anyway / I also know the project name but I don't fancy 25 years in an underground detention centre ....

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Jan 30, 2016 17:29:02 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 30, 2016 17:10:16 GMT @kopiert said:

that's all smoke and mirrors, thing k about it with a degree of logic, your icrap device can send and receive messages to everyone, if it had the levels of encryption they wibble about publicly then nobody could read them other than the sender..... next point of note, your service provider doesn't see the I-message it get.......

Thanks - I will read up some more

Nick

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Jan 30, 2016 19:37:34 GMT nanotm said:

yeah well its easy to pinch the packets if your hard wired into the connection servers, DPI is a global spy system, it was paid for by the brittish government and industry partners invented by BT and its operated by a conglomerate group associated with service provision advertising and um spying .....

when your intercepting every packet in transit you don't need to waste time with warrents and phone company records (soon all text messaging services will be done via "internet data" to make things easier) especially in the case of GCHQ who actually own all the data tap's and peer points between subscriber lines and providers so you know they have everything anyway / I also know the project name but I don't fancy 25 years in an underground detention centre ....

That is an awful lot of data about PPI claims!

[nanotm]

Jan 31, 2016 9:59:48 GMT @kopiert said:

Jan 30, 2016 19:37:34 GMT nanotm said:

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That is an awful lot of data about PPI claims!

you think that's bad how about looking at billions of emoticons as kids have developed a new language purely using them.....and some seem to think holding down the crying with laughter emote button to add a couple of pages worth somehow amplifies the message of how funny something is ......

they have yet to evolve into the "less is more" line of thinking