passenger flights ban on Lithium-ion batteries

[yahoo2u2]

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/23/lithium-ion-batteries-banned-as-cargo-on-passenger-flights

[jtc]

Hmmm
So I take it we won't be able to take any battery for our mods abroad if flying?

[GunJack]

Feb 23, 2016 8:15:48 GMT jtc said:

Hmmm
So I take it we won't be able to take any battery for our mods abroad if flying?

for a while now it's been batteries in hand luggage, in a suitable carry-case. All this means is nothing in suitcases in the hold...

[jtc]

Oh that's good then Cheers

[Q]

It actually states 'cargo quantities' and is aimed at the supplier not us, and from how I read it it's a US piece anyway aimed at America

[Deleted]

Feb 23, 2016 8:25:30 GMT Q said:

It actually states 'cargo quantities' and is aimed at the supplier not us, and from how I read it it's a US piece anyway aimed at America

If it's aimed at America Q, the chances are GB will follow suit. After all, we've been hanging out America's arse for years anyway.

[Bob]

Q striker42 I think it's actually aimed at some Chinese companies of who couldn't give a rat's arse about safety

[Deleted]

Yes @bobw195, looks that way. When selling batteries they're not too much concerned about transportation in a safe manner. Just get them on the plane then its's  somebody else's problem.

[VapingBad]

As Q said

The UN aviation agency has prohibited cargo shipments of lithium-ion batteries on passenger aircraft over concerns by pilots and plane makers that they are a fire risk.

This is one reason why, but it also goes on to mention a packaging standard that would hopefully resolve the situation

[nanotm]

I seem to recall having to take the battery out of my laptop at baggage checking and put it into my carryon luggage a few years ago in Europe, this doesn't exactly sound like "new" policy more an expansion of local rules to international rules.... I think if I was going to travel on an aircraft I would just buy a couple of ego's at the destination and just take my preferred liquid /atty on the plane with me rather than taking the hardware as well, no point risking the fire hazard if you don't have to

[nanotm]

Feb 23, 2016 10:15:27 GMT VapingBad said:

This is one reason why, but it also goes on to mention a packaging standard that would hopefully resolve the situation

well fire proof packaging is great but if a lithium battery goes critical in the hold I'd be more worried about the fumes getting into the cabin, and all those passengers developing serious illness a couple of years down the road that bankrupt the airline if I was an operator...the long term problems would likely cost more than the plane going down with all on board in terms of compensation.

[VapingBad]

Feb 23, 2016 10:29:40 GMT nanotm said:

Feb 23, 2016 10:15:27 GMT VapingBad said:

This is one reason why, but it also goes on to mention a packaging standard that would hopefully resolve the situation

well fire proof packaging is great but if a lithium battery goes critical in the hold I'd be more worried about the fumes getting into the cabin, and all those passengers developing serious illness a couple of years down the road that bankrupt the airline if I was an operator...the long term problems would likely cost more than the plane going down with all on board in terms of compensation.

The hold is not pressurised, the cabin is and it is hard to see how gas would leak against the pressure difference.

You could have them in reusable self extinguishing air tight crates, say that flooded with foam on sudden temp or pressure raise.  Probably too expensive, but we wont know until we see a standard.  Hopefully it would combine with battery certification so safer chemistries could fly and the cheap ICR take the slow boat, but probably wishful think on both counts.

[Bobsbeer]

The hold is pressurised. It has to be due to animals being carried. How well sealed it is from the passenger deck I don't know.

[nanotm]

Feb 23, 2016 10:40:10 GMT VapingBad said:

Feb 23, 2016 10:29:40 GMT nanotm said:

well fire proof packaging is great but if a lithium battery goes critical in the hold I'd be more worried about the fumes getting into the cabin, and all those passengers developing serious illness a couple of years down the road that bankrupt the airline if I was an operator...the long term problems would likely cost more than the plane going down with all on board in terms of compensation.

The hold is not pressurised, the cabin is and it is hard to see how gas would leak against the pressure difference.

You could have them in reusable self extinguishing air tight crates, say that flooded with foam on sudden temp or pressure raise.  Probably too expensive, but we wont know until we see a standard.  Hopefully it would combine with battery certification so safer chemistries could fly and the cheap ICR take the slow boat, but probably wishful think on both counts.

the safety commission has dreamed up a standard box for them to travel in, but its rather prohibitive in terms of cost etc although its reusable you would have to fly them back as empty boxes ..... well the idea is essentially a mini iso container box containing a halon extinguisher system but there arguing about the number of cells per box, currently the safety group recommends no more than 16 18650 cells in each box (which is half a cubic meter) and are suggesting the box could be kept at airports or constantly fitted to aircraft, but the transport company are saying they would want to ship at least 64 cells in that size of box, the halon system is another bugbear (because of all the paperwork associated with it)

the problems though are around pressure continament within the box as the pressure differential will be quite high or how much protective packaging the batteries should have, strangely an interim measure has been suggesting in that they could be placed inside a hard plastic box inside an jiffy bag  and tossed in small packet post pallets ...... which is exactly how my last load were delivered from china .....

[djs]

I forgot to put an 18650 in my hand luggage once. (6 months ago)

As I saw my bag head off down the moving-travelator-of-luggage-destiny, as asked the lady "ooh, it says here, no Li-ions? - there is one in my bag...."

I wasn't popular... but they thanked me for owning up and sorted me out. I fear I wouldn't have lived with myself if something had happened.