Cigarettes cheaper than e-cigarettes in 44 of 45 countries

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www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/acs-cct032416.php

[djs]

I can barely make sense of anything it says. Comparing apples and lemons as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if people are convinced e-cigs are pricey, that's fine with me. Any dire propaganda that concludes tobacco is cheaper might throw the tax hounds off the ecig scent.

[yahoo2u2]

But this is flawed on many levels. Once you purchase a mod and atty then your only outlay is wire, cotton and juice and batteries £15 year?

Cotton and wire one offs per year (or two), so juice. Lets say a heavy vaper used 10mls a day at £4.99 and a heavy smoker 40 a day £18 or rollies £7

Lets see

Smoker Vs Vaper
Rollie x 365 = £2555


Juice = £1821
Batteries = £15
Wire £4.00
Cotton £2.00
Atty £25
Mod £60
Total £1908
So plenty of room for more attys and mods  and a 40 a day real ciggies £6570

[tim]

Mar 31, 2016 21:55:20 GMT yahoo2u2 said:

But this is flawed on many levels. Once you purchase a mod and atty then your only outlay is wire, cotton and juice and batteries £15 year?

Cotton and wire one offs per year (or two), so juice. Lets say a heavy vaper used 10mls a day at £4.99 and a heavy smoker 40 a day £18 or rollies £7

Lets see

Smoker Vs Vaper
Rollie x 365 = £2555


Juice = £1821
Batteries = £15
Wire £4.00
Cotton £2.00
Atty £25
Mod £60
Total £1908
So plenty of room for more attys and mods  and a 40 a day real ciggies £6570

That's if they last a year. AND COMPLETELY ignoring shinetitis! shineyitis!

Still cheaper though......

[nanotm]

well so far in my vape journey (cos everything is a journey these days) I have regarded the "savings" in my sig profile as an indicator of half of what I spend on vape items

seriously though the first few mnths were the most expensivem I must have bout 12 different items "to try" some were great but for later some were junk and either went back or were given away /resold (at a loss) and i'm left with a rather eclectic aray of stuff, some of which is about to get packed up and put in a box marked maybe at a push......

and that's totally ignoring the cost of juice making or just juice using, I figured having the crius the crown the cthula and the tfv4 that i'd best get into mixing pretty pronto given how much those tanks use in a day (my subtank used like the others at around 25 watts on a single Clapton coil will use about 7ml whilst I seem to refill the others at least 3 times a day maybe as often as 6 times on a long day .....)

so far on mods /tanks I spent around 500 not including the consumables,

then I spent around £250 on hardware consumables not including batteries although to be fair several of those were things to keep my gear going for the next half decade
and some of that was over ordering on wire of various types whilst I tried things out (tenner here tenner there sort of thing on the proviso that its only a tenner, which is double the "tester" size cost but instead of 5ft of wire i'm getting 75 meters of it, or in the case of the various types of wicking I tried out a big bag was cheaper than getting 2 trial size packs, and to be honest here I did take more than a single trial packs worth to actually make a non leaking non dry hitting wick the first time.....

the battereies are an odd one due to deal prices but so far I spent about £50 on getting 40 batteries (Sammy 25r's and vtc4's only) and another £50 on getting charging sorted out

and then theres the juice side of things

about £200 so on shop bought juices (all internet bought so far from various places in various sizes and qty's)

then theres the home brew stuff, £250 on concs, £50 on vg/pg, £60 on nic about £200 on mixing gear and bottles

but then that mixing gear and those mods /attys should in theory still be working in a couple of years for the most part, the mixing hardware wont need replaceing for many years and I probably wotn run out of bottles for at least that long either ..... the consumables i'll probably still need ot buy more of (O-rings etc) in the coming year depending on how ham fisted I am when swapping /cleaning things, the concs i'll defo need more of (especially the ones I use a lot lol) the mixers i'll need a lto more of and i'll probably buy another bottle or two of nic (although to be honest on the last one i'm not certain I will need it given how little I use and how much ive got already

[GunJack]

personally I read that and found it very hard to believe...

I've spent £1600 in 3.5 years of vaping, but that includes:-
1. the nic base I've used already (started diy after 6 months) and the 4.7 litres I have in the freezer,
2. 4 mods in-use and 5 spare unused in the vape drawer, along with
3. 3-4 unused spare tanks and about 400 pre-made coil&wicks.

Would have spent what's in my signature on roll-ups, and that's without tobacco inflation added in


...unless they're only really comparing to disposable cig-a-likes or something....

[nanotm]

GunJack

well it depends on the time scales as well though and what you buy etc,

so far my outlay on vape stuff dwarfs what I would of spent on smoking, in theory I have 5 years worth of most stuff (in practice it will probably all cease to function well before that) and if I didn't buy any "new stuff" then over several years the day to day costs of vaping will be minimal,

but just like when I embarked on homebrew booze 20 years ago, it cost more than a years worth of shop bought stuff to get setup and it didn't hit break even for over 18 months so really there were no appreciable savings in costs under 2 years, and vapeing is similar in this regazrd for me,

but of course everyone is different, but even so the day to day costs of vaping is high right now compared to smoking and set to get higher in some countries, especially where the e-juice is being subjected to taxes in excess of 40p /ml whilst fags are generating maybe half that rate of taxation

[chykensa]

The way I look at it is this: as long as I don't spend more than £100/mth, which is what my tobacco, papers and filters would have cost, I am vaping more cheaply than I would have smoked.
I have loads of juice already mixed and steeping (well over 3 litres), and I have just ordered another 500ml of nic base which will see me easily into 2018. With the concentrates and bases I have already, my juice supplies won't need much adding to in the next 6 months.

That leaves tanks and rebuildable supplies. I have now decided that the Griffins with Clapton coils hit the spot for me, and I can rewick in 10 mins including a wash and dry. I have bought a third which, along with my Subtanks and TFV4 should see me through with a few spares along the way.

Mods - I have a Koopor Plus and a Smok X-Cube II which are both fairly new and reliable, so unless one of these fails, I don't need a new mod for a few months.

All in all, a good place to be, methinks!


Tobacco - never again, and I really can't see how cigarettes are cheaper than e-cigs in so many countries, unless the respective governments are not taking enough tax from them!

[gill2009]

  I know I've saved nearly £6000...& certainly haven't spent anything like that on vaping...I haven't kept records...at the end of the day, I don't smoke...& that is all that matters to me 

[Deleted]

Vaping in the UK can be as cheap or as expensive as you like. I have spreadsheets but not as accurate as once was

back in the day it was a simple choice - 3 months worth of cartos (cartridges) from china for same price as 1 week's rollies (£40-50. I was a very heavy smoker). It wasn't rocket science back then

And my first mod (from liberty flights) was about £15. *Fire charger and a few (actually quite a few) 14500 batteries and the joyous hassle of filling cartos up every am (made a right mess) using the condom method LOL

Halycon days - you could vape anywhere then. Train, bus - anywhere

awe...

[yorkshireman]

Can you put a price on your health.

[GunJack]

Apr 1, 2016 8:39:00 GMT nanotm said:

GunJack

well it depends on the time scales as well though and what you buy etc,

so far my outlay on vape stuff dwarfs what I would of spent on smoking, in theory I have 5 years worth of most stuff (in practice it will probably all cease to function well before that) and if I didn't buy any "new stuff" then over several years the day to day costs of vaping will be minimal,

but just like when I embarked on homebrew booze 20 years ago, it cost more than a years worth of shop bought stuff to get setup and it didn't hit break even for over 18 months so really there were no appreciable savings in costs under 2 years, and vapeing is similar in this regazrd for me,

but of course everyone is different, but even so the day to day costs of vaping is high right now compared to smoking and set to get higher in some countries, especially where the e-juice is being subjected to taxes in excess of 40p /ml whilst fags are generating maybe half that rate of taxation

of course it depends on what you buy, I've never been one for jumping on every new bandwagon going

cost-saving was my second reason for switching after health, and it's damned easy to do. I also think I'm lucky as I found "my flavour" pretty early on so haven't wasted loads trying every flavour under the sun and have been diy'ing it for almost 3 years.

I could go on, but if you're not looking at breaking even for 18 months or so you probably wouldn't be interested anyway.......

[nanotm]

Apr 1, 2016 10:58:06 GMT GunJack said:

Apr 1, 2016 8:39:00 GMT nanotm said:

GunJack

well it depends on the time scales as well though and what you buy etc,

of course it depends on what you buy, I've never been one for jumping on every new bandwagon going

cost-saving was my second reason for switching after health, and it's damned easy to do. I also think I'm lucky as I found "my flavour" pretty early on so haven't wasted loads trying every flavour under the sun and have been diy'ing it for almost 3 years.

I could go on, but if you're not looking at breaking even for 18 months or so you probably wouldn't be interested anyway.......

yeah yeah

I don't care about short term savings because I don't have to and in all reality I never will need to, at some point I'll pop off this mortal coil until then I'll live my life on unsecured credit and keep paying the bills, after all they cant take what you don't have and my medical pension gets paid regardless, so yeah 40 days ago my break even point was about 12 months since then I bought some more stuff and now its 18 months ish .... by the 1 year point it will in all likely hood be closer to 3 years and I still wont actually care, if for no other reason than I'm saving on other things as well, right now I brew up just over 1/2 a litre a month and that's not likely to change very much although what I brew might change, even chugging through 20 mills a day certain of the juice I use is bought (although if I could make that it would be  major price drop) but being as I use it to replace morpha that's not likely to happen, besides its cheaper than the leaf variant fro tobacco use....

any how there's one thing in all this, I spent about £5k a few years ago trying out various "health supplements" over a 12 month period to try an get away from smoking under the misnomer that were I to get away from the prescription meds I could keep my job, they didn't work cost a lot of cash and often left me in a worse state than before I had started (and yes I took professional advice on what to try and how to reduce my meds to see if it worked etc) and still ended up feeling like i'd wasted everything and got nothing out of it...

  with vaping I bought an overpriced snazzy looking box set through amazon, ordered some (as it turned out the wrong type) juice online from a couple of places (medusa and truvape, as it transpires nice juices although being 100% vg I didn't manage to use them until a few days ago) got some advice and used liquid for 1 of everything initially followed by 20 each of the 5 flavours I liked (based on the "you will use 5 ml per day average I'd read online") in various strengths from zero through to 24mg, settled on the 24 mg's and ordered an even dozen of each of the 5 flavours at each strength point then as well because I knew right from the start I would cut down I just didn't know how soon it would be..... ok that's a lot of juice and probably 60% of it was given to people I know as they started vaping and were paying way too much for the wrong type of juice in the local shop... one of them actually gave me some cash for it (or that might of been to get the round in for them bit fuzzy on that part)

I don't look at it as a loss even if it ends up costing me 20x as much as I would otherwise of spent though, its been nearly 15 years since I could breath this easily at this time of year (tree pollen) and back then I was sucking on an oxygen tank for 8 hours a day .... so even if nothing else its made me feel better about something

[GunJack]

great if vaping has got you off oxygen, the point of the article is (and my response to it) is that a. they're way off and b. personal experience shows how they're way off...

if you've felt the need to go to the lengths you have to switch, your choice. Again, my point is it doesn't have to be that way...

[toots]

Apr 1, 2016 8:50:36 GMT chykensa said:

Tobacco - never again, and I really can't see how cigarettes are cheaper than e-cigs in so many countries, unless the respective governments are not taking enough tax from them!

Actually as I have mentioned before in a few posts over time, vaping over here does work out more expensive than smoking due to the fact that cigarettes are very cheap here and vape gear and juice is very expensive (unless you know where to buy your gear from which is definitely not on this island).

Even DIYing works out quite a bit more expensive for me than it does for you guys in the UK coz of all the shipping fees that I have to shed out to get the gear over from the UK to here   It does still work out cheaper than buying ready made juice here though. But as an example 2 litre bottles of VG costing a total of £19.80 from the UK shipped over just last week cost £34.36 in shipping charges so in total that was a cost of £54.16 for those 2 bottles

When you consider a pack of L & B ciggies only cost around 2.50 euros per pack (approx £2 per pack) and juice costs 7.50/8.00 euros for 10ml (approx £6) and then there's the actual kit (mods/tanks) which are normally around double the price of UK stuff and then consumables such as coils etc costing probably 4 times as much as what you pay in the UK then you can see how much more expensive it is than smoking.

Not too much incentive for peeps here to give up smoking, other than health of course, which is the only reason I gave up and turned to vaping.

But yes chykensa we do have a much lower tax rate on cigarettes than the UK or even Spain, so the last part of your statement is in fact correct.