EU’s report on Refillable Ecigs

[Clivia]

but they allow smoking - not very difficult to do some guess work here

[Clivia]

this article is so absurd :

The Commission poses the amount of e-liquid needed to produce an acutely toxic effect through dermal exposure in humans is 35 ml for a small child and 210 ml for a 60kg adult (larger than the maximum size of a refill container allowed under the TPD
sure the average adult generally has a weight of under 10 stone and will pour nearly 1/4 of a litre over him/herself

Regarding outcome, 23.7% of cases required hospitalisation and 6.8% had a moderate or major effect - ehm - what happened to the other 70 % - gosh math does not seem to be their strength

[sydsut]

May 20, 2016 19:26:12 GMT nanotm said:

Postmodern Smoking

reading between the lines I reckon the next line of assault on vaping will be to include all mod boxes and batteries as well as ban rda's, rta's all vape wire, cotton, vg, pg and certain flavourings from general sale in order to ensure we cant mix or rebuild at home on the grounds that nany eu is protecting us mere imbeciles from possibly harming ourselves ....

Ban wire?, cotton? batteries? ... as I said before you don't half talk bollocks at times.

[catface26]

Dunno how they could ban VG and PG either considering its in most cosmetic products.

[nanotm]

sydsut

they can ban it quite easily, if they deem it to be a tobacco related product and include it in article 20 provisions, in the same way as article 20 prevents sale of nic base to the general public they will ban the sale of vg/pg to prevent home mixing, look at the FDA's example in this, they deemed everything that is used or can be used to make an e-cig including the batteries the battery sleds the buttons the control circuits etc etc to be a tobacco product, it doesn't require common sense to produce absurd legislation only big enough pay cheques from the related industries to prevent their product from disappearing, the cosmetics industry hates boutique suppliers, killing off their competition by preventing them access to required ingredients is a win-win for them, the pharma industry killing homeopathy and vaping is win-win for them,
the big food companies don't loose out if local honey producers cant access the chemicals they require and go out of business so they kill off completion and expand their presence across new markets by being the only people to obtain licences to receive these items, its a conspiracy to crush competition squeeze all the small fry out and leave what's left to the corporations who already own the rule makers,

in fact the only people loosing are the thousands in those businesses and us the general public, the EU has been a giant corporate front for decades and as soon as the corporations are all that's left they will either tear it up and fight a short but bloody war to see who owns which zones or slim it down to a couple of figure heads and have legal teams write any new controls on social or economic status, its like the people behind the scenes watched all the futuristic shows and read all the books and melded them together to form a blueprint showing the path of least resistance to achieve the desired end point (ultimate power over people's lives) and all the better for those sharks of capitalism that they hijacked an already established provider of such totalitarianism in the great control centre called the EU, these people talk openly about rigging markets by creating cabals and dictating what the supply rate is going to be for various products regardless of what the demand rate is or the capacity of the supply lines.....

[nanotm]

May 20, 2016 20:10:56 GMT Clivia said:

this article is so absurd :

The Commission poses the amount of e-liquid needed to produce an acutely toxic effect through dermal exposure in humans is 35 ml for a small child and 210 ml for a 60kg adult (larger than the maximum size of a refill container allowed under the TPD
sure the average adult generally has a weight of under 10 stone and will pour nearly 1/4 of a litre over him/herself

Regarding outcome, 23.7% of cases required hospitalisation and 6.8% had a moderate or major effect - ehm - what happened to the other 70 % - gosh math does not seem to be their strength

I don't actually know many adults that still weight the same as the average 15yr old... but that said, the 35ml rate was based on you having access to 100mg/ml nic base, in most places its been limited to below 75mg/ml under poison controls for a long time, indeed several states had it set as low as 40mg/ml because of the early understanding of toxicity and lethal dose concentrations.

they however neatly skip that bit in the write up almost as neatly as they skip mentioning all of the 6.8% were from exposure to none e-liquid nicbase designed to be used as a poison (like the 98%pure stuff you can get in the rat killer catalogue)

the entire thing is a prelude to them doing what the yanks did with the deeming regulations because they aimed so low on the first pass with weak watered down efforts, the WHO has prepared an advisory (after chatting to various interested parties like GSK/PMI etc) to all nations to strictly regulate all vaping related items under medical certification rules, once its released the EU will be bending over backwards to comply asap

[GunJack]

In my considered opinion..

TOTAL AND UTTER B0LL0CKS

p.s. excuse the expletive, it's late, and I've just about had enough of this $hit....

[Perpetua]

May 20, 2016 22:25:26 GMT nanotm said:

sydsut

they can ban it quite easily, if they deem it to be a tobacco related product and include it in article 20 provisions, in the same way as article 20 prevents sale of nic base to the general public they will ban the sale of vg/pg to prevent home mixing, look at the FDA's example in this, they deemed everything that is used or can be used to make an e-cig including the batteries the battery sleds the buttons the control circuits etc etc to be a tobacco product, it doesn't require common sense to produce absurd legislation only big enough pay cheques from the related industries to prevent their product from disappearing, the cosmetics industry hates boutique suppliers, killing off their competition by preventing them access to required ingredients is a win-win for them, the pharma industry killing homeopathy and vaping is win-win for them,
the big food companies don't loose out if local honey producers cant access the chemicals they require and go out of business so they kill off completion and expand their presence across new markets by being the only people to obtain licences to receive these items, its a conspiracy to crush competition squeeze all the small fry out and leave what's left to the corporations who already own the rule makers,

in fact the only people loosing are the thousands in those businesses and us the general public, the EU has been a giant corporate front for decades and as soon as the corporations are all that's left they will either tear it up and fight a short but bloody war to see who owns which zones or slim it down to a couple of figure heads and have legal teams write any new controls on social or economic status, its like the people behind the scenes watched all the futuristic shows and read all the books and melded them together to form a blueprint showing the path of least resistance to achieve the desired end point (ultimate power over people's lives) and all the better for those sharks of capitalism that they hijacked an already established provider of such totalitarianism in the great control centre called the EU, these people talk openly about rigging markets by creating cabals and dictating what the supply rate is going to be for various products regardless of what the demand rate is or the capacity of the supply lines.....

Give it a rest would you nanotm.

Some of us would like to have a discussion on current affairs without you ramming down our throats at every available opportunity your thoughts and opinions.

[Lee]

Noooooooooooo

I can no longer trim my finger nails

Nail clippers will be banned because they are used to cut wire Tease-smiley

[erik514]

May 21, 2016 17:00:11 GMT Lee said:

Noooooooooooo

I can no longer trim my finger nails

Nail clippers will be banned because they are used to cut wire Tease-smiley

You better be quick.  I hear they plan to BAN FINGERNAILS!!!

[arron]

May 20, 2016 20:03:03 GMT Clivia said:

but they allow smoking - not very difficult to do some guess work here

And that sums it up!

If they cared about health then smoking would of been banned years ago, instead they just hike the tax up year after year without the backbone to admit they just simply want the revenue, instead they justify the duty with claims such as "to deter people from smoking"

Legalist criminals all of them.

[Lee]

Batteries and battery chargers will be banned