Adding "body" to mixes?

[ghostrider1971]

Apologies in advance - I'm probably not going to explain this very well....

Are there any mixing ingredients for adding "body" to DIYs? I'm thinking to make the vapor softer and thicker.

As a comparison, something like Vampire Vape "Pinkman" is very thin whereas some of the Rejuiced offerings seem to have softer and thicker vapor.

Is this effect purely from using higher VG or is there a "magic" mixing/concentrate ingredient?

I know that sweeteners were mentioned before to dampen down harsh juice - is that the way to go?

[Postmodern Smoking]

ghostrider1971 , FlavourArt make an additive called "MTS Vape Wizard". Here's what they say about it:

" MTS stands for Mellow, Thick and Smooth, and it is a major breakthrough in taste technology for PV users. Based on our thorough understanding of taste mechanisms, we have developed a product which we believe will increase the pleasure of your vaping experience. MTS vape wizard contributes toward softening any acidic/sour perception, it assists in making vapour thicker, and it delivers both body and depth. It can be used on its own, blended with tobacco flavours, or with any other flavour of your choice. There are no limitations as to its versatility. Make your vapour fuller and richer.. Let MTS Vape Wizard work its magic for you! Suggested dosage 0,5-2% "

This might be what you're looking for.

[ghostrider1971]

Postmodern Smoking - Thank you very much :-)

This goes back to a while ago when a vape shop owner let me try his homemade blueberry waffle custard - soft, thick, tonnes of flavour and super smooth...

Just worried mine ain't turning out like that at the moment!!!!

[Postmodern Smoking]

I'd say that it's worth a try the next time that you're ordering some concentrates, pick up a bottle.
I haven't tried it myself (I'm not fussy about what I vape! ), but Vape Wizard it is a very well known enhancer/additive.

[Perpetua]

What PG/VG ratios are you mixing at currently ghostrider1971 out of interest?

Perhaps just increasing your VG level, might produce a fuller/smoother vape for you . . . . Vape Wizard when I've used it in the past, is useful for smoothing out the harsh edges of flavours, especially tobacco ones - but it can also have a dulling down effect.

Just higher VG combined with longer steep times, could be something to try . . . . . .

[ghostrider1971]

Perpetua - I'm using 90% VG premixed @ 6mg nicotine - so with concentrate added probably down to anywhere between 65/75% VG

I've got my custards on steep at the moment. Otherwise, I've mixed RA (always good), Heisenberg (always good) - the problems I've had have been with my own fruit and waffle/caramel concoctions.

Maybe more of an open bottle steep?

[Perpetua]

Sept 8, 2016 10:26:23 GMT ghostrider1971 said:

Perpetua - I'm using 90% VG premixed @ 6mg nicotine - so with concentrate added probably down to anywhere between 65/75% VG

Ah yes . . . . I forget you're using pre-mix base ghostrider1971, which won't give you quite the same degree of flexibility on ratios as separate ingredients do. I always find it difficult to get my head around the calculations using that for some reason, but depending on your flavour percentage ( unless it's lowish ) you could find that you're more in the region of 60/65% VG 40/35% PG. So adding more VG although would help give smoothness - it will also affect your nic strength.

( Dave Postmodern Smoking is one of the chaps ace at these calculations! )

I will suggest seriously considering buying VG/PG/Nic Base next time you stock up now that you've gotten to grips with the basic principles of home mixing.

Sept 8, 2016 10:26:23 GMT ghostrider1971 said:

the problems I've had have been with my own fruit and waffle/caramel concoctions.

Maybe more of an open bottle steep?

Maybe just more of a steep period ghostrider1971!!

There are actually very few mixes that I do the open steep thing with and that depends upon the flavours and brands that I'm using - some do benefit from it. Others less so, it's a fairly recent trend which seems to make DIYers happy to do it - so who am I to say it's a waste of time with certain mixes.

My own experience has always been, given long enough to steep that has always been sufficient to produce a smooth, full and tasty vape . . . . . in the main I don't use any dessert brews before 3months of making it, nearer 6months more often. But that's just me.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Sept 8, 2016 15:02:07 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 8, 2016 10:26:23 GMT ghostrider1971 said:

Perpetua - I'm using 90% VG premixed @ 6mg nicotine - so with concentrate added probably down to anywhere between 65/75% VG

Ah yes . . . . I forget you're using pre-mix base ghostrider1971 , which won't give you quite the same degree of flexibility on ratios as separate ingredients do. I always find it difficult to get my head around the calculations using that for some reason, but depending on your flavour percentage ( unless it's lowish ) you could find that you're more in the region of 60/65% VG 40/35% PG. So adding more VG although would help give smoothness - it will also affect your nic strength.

( Dave Postmodern Smoking is one of the chaps ace at these calculations! )

I will suggest seriously considering buying VG/PG/Nic Base next time you stock up now that you've gotten to grips with the basic principles of home mixing.

Here's the results of the calculations !:

If starting with 90%VG/10%PG premix @ 6mg/ml nic and adding :

• 25% flavour, that results in 67.5%VG/32.5%PG @ 4.5mg/ml nic
  
• 20% flavour, that results in 72%VG/28%PG @ 4.8mg/ml nic
• 15% flavour, that results in 76.5%VG/23.5%PG @ 5.1mg/ml nic

So all relatively high already in VG.

[Perpetua]

Sept 8, 2016 15:20:00 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Sept 8, 2016 15:02:07 GMT Perpetua said:

Ah yes . . . . I forget you're using pre-mix base ghostrider1971 , which won't give you quite the same degree of flexibility on ratios as separate ingredients do. I always find it difficult to get my head around the calculations using that for some reason, but depending on your flavour percentage ( unless it's lowish ) you could find that you're more in the region of 60/65% VG 40/35% PG. So adding more VG although would help give smoothness - it will also affect your nic strength.

( Dave Postmodern Smoking is one of the chaps ace at these calculations! )

I will suggest seriously considering buying VG/PG/Nic Base next time you stock up now that you've gotten to grips with the basic principles of home mixing.

Here's the results of the calculations !:

If starting with 90%VG/10%PG premix @ 6mg/ml nic and adding :

• 25% flavour, that results in 67.5%VG/32.5%PG @ 4.5mg/ml nic
  
• 20% flavour, that results in 72%VG/28%PG @ 4.8mg/ml nic
• 15% flavour, that results in 76.5%VG/23.5%PG @ 5.1mg/ml nic

So all relatively high already in VG.

Fab thank you Dave!

I really am carp at calculating with pre-mix base, don't know why - my brain just won't compute it.

[aaront903]

I've heard on the grapevine that 1% of vanillin 10% adds a premium taste to mixes,not sure how true this is but do have a mix steeping with it in so will see

[ghostrider1971]

Perpetua Postmodern Smoking aaront903 - Thank you all very much :-)

[mikedidthis]

Sept 8, 2016 15:58:17 GMT aaront903 said:

I've heard on the grapevine that 1% of vanillin 10% adds a premium taste to mixes,not sure how true this is but do have a mix steeping with it in so will see

That would make sense as it adds sweetness, which some premium juices seems to have a lot of.

[Perpetua]

Sept 8, 2016 16:26:04 GMT mikedidthis said:

Sept 8, 2016 15:58:17 GMT aaront903 said:

I've heard on the grapevine that 1% of vanillin 10% adds a premium taste to mixes,not sure how true this is but do have a mix steeping with it in so will see

That would make sense as it adds sweetness, which some premium juices seems to have a lot of.

I'm going to be contrary . . . . and say that ( for me ) Vanillin doesn't add a great deal of sweetness and I use it a fair bit in dessert mixes @1%, but it does add an extra layer of subtle creaminess which is very pleasant.

Although taste is always going to be subjective!

[jtc]

I think tpa marshmallow is a good one for a little sweetness and fuller mouth feel too

[ghostrider1971]

Interesting read :-)

e-liquid-recipes.com/master-mixers-tips-and-tricks