Welsh youth e cig report on BBC

[Bobsbeer]

The BBc have reported on a BMJ published report on Welsh youth e cig use. "Welsh children 'more likely to try e-cigs than tobacco" While the BBC report is not totally negative, it clearly has a negative slant, whereas the real report in the BMJ is on the whole balanced and you can pick out some clear positive messages.  However I expect his to be picked up by the red tops and give a wholly negative slant.  www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38945395

From the BBC report:

Dr Julie Bishop, from Public Health Wales, said young people using e-cigarettes on a regular basis "is something we should be concerned about".

From the original report HERE:

In fact, tobacco is perhaps more likely to be acting as a route into e-cigarette use, rather than the other way around

To me moving from tobacco to ecigs regardless of age has to be a good thing, and should be celebrated not knocked.




(Please note that CRUK were involved in funding this research along with a bunch of other organisations - So CRUK antz please look away now)

[Deleted]

I have noticed in the past few months a lot more young people vaping. A group of teenagers were cloud chasing in the car park near the train station. I could see the people getting off the train give them a wide berth. Lots of young people walking around in Nottingham blowing clouds oblivious to the frowns and concern of other pedestrians. Spoke to a 16 year old vaping on a TFV8 who said he had been smoking since 11 but was into vaping cause all his mates were.
Not sure what the answer is and obviously would rather see young people vaping rather than smoking but worried that they are going straight into vaping because it has far more attractions and is cheaper than smoking.
Like alcohol and tobacco the young will get their hands on it just like I did at that age, just hoping that underage vaping doesn't spoil it for everyone else.

[jtc]

Unfortunately the kids always want to do what adults do and it's hard to stop them.
I do not see it in any way different to me starting smoking at 12 years old other than it's a safer alternative.
Yet this will always be ammunition to the people who moan and want to spoil things

[djs]

A Welsh Government spokesperson said it was "disappointing to see that experimentation with e-cigarettes is increasing amongst young people".

Not disappointing if they now don't see the need to take up tobacco smoking.

[jevans]

Bobsbeer
CRUK ??

Unfortunately 70 % of the population is Moronic!

[lobeydosser]

(Please note that CRUK were involved in funding this research along with a bunch of other organisations - So CRUK antz please look away now)

I wonder if Bobsbeer wrote the above, otherwise excellent topic to point us to the Welsh BBC report or was he just using it as an excuse to have yet another cheap dig at those who found a previous and illegal CRUK funded research program distasteful.

A research program, I point out, that has disappeared off the face of the earth.

Where hopefully it will remain.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Feb 12, 2017 20:16:46 GMT jevans said:

Bobsbeer
CRUK ?? 

Cancer Research UK

[jevans]

Many thanks Postmodern Smoking

[monty]

I don't usually vape when I'm out and about but maybe it's time I did. If more of us senior folk do, then the obvious uncoolness of vaping may become evident.

[djs]

Feb 12, 2017 20:35:37 GMT monty said:

I don't usually vape when I'm out and about but maybe it's time I did. If more of us senior folk do, then the obvious uncoolness of vaping may become evident.

LOL. Could work.

[lobeydosser]

Of the 6 houses in our area of the village, 3 households have become vapers since I started.
Leaving 2 households as non-smokers and one house still a smoker.
All the Vapers vape whether indoors or out.
Oh, and by the by, although 2 of the households have children, none of them vape or smoke.

[Bobsbeer]

Feb 12, 2017 20:22:16 GMT lobeydosser said:

(Please note that CRUK were involved in funding this research along with a bunch of other organisations - So CRUK antz please look away now)

I wonder if Bobsbeer wrote the above, otherwise excellent topic to point us to the Welsh BBC report or was he just using it as an excuse to have yet another cheap dig at those who found a previous and illegal CRUK funded research program distasteful.

A research program, I point out, that has disappeared off the face of the earth.

Where hopefully it will remain.

If you knew me, you would know I don't do cheap digs.  I'm not sure what you are referring to being an illegal research program?  If you are referring to the research looking at attitudes of parents to young people vaping, (also part funded by CRUK), then you could not be further from the truth and appear to show the narrowness of your thinking.  I'm sure the research is continuing as planned, and no doubt we will read the results on it's completion, whenever that will be.  No doubt some will think the research highlighted in this thread is illegal as it is also looking at underage vaping?  Some people need to get off some very high equines, and come to understand that all research is useful.  We may not always get the answer we were looking for, but we get an answer, and answers are always worthwhile looking for, regardless of the question.  

That way we get to the truth, and the truth is what we should all be striving for.  A phrase often quoted on this forum.  The only stupid question is the question not asked.  The same applies to research, regardless who funds it.

[jevans]

As I said Bobsbeer ,70%!

[striker42]

Well Bobsbeer, that's at least twice you have chosen to mention the CRUK research funding situation on other threads. It would seem that the only person that has a problem with it is.................................hold on........................................... oh yes you, as you seem to feel the need to mention it at every opportunity. If it's becoming an obsession, then might I humbly suggest that you might want to seek few sessions with an OCD councilor. Or is it just the case that you are trying to convince everyone that your opinion is the only one that counts ? Having assessed my contributions to good causes for the year coming, unfortunately CRUK will be receiving £0 directly from me, although along the way they may obtain a few pennies indirectly, as on guidance elsewhere, it was recommended to have a delve deeper into what CRUK actually do. Having followed that advice, I'm not too taken with how some of the funds are spent, so as far as donations towards anything cancer is concerned, mine will fall in the coffers of the MacMillan nurses. I'll no doubt await your robust response and look forward to your next opportunity to slip in a cheap shot at people who have a differing opinion from you. Think you really should get over yourself on this one and step of that high equine you seem to have put yourself on.

[Bobsbeer]

As I have said before striker42 far be it from me to influence where you give your charity. Personally I applaud CRUK for the contribution made in furthering our understanding of many of the aspects around smoking and vaping. The former being a leading cause of cancer. Without their contribution directly or indirectly our understanding would be all the poorer.

Some are happy to live in ignorance. The choice is yours to make as you see fit.