Mrs Lords's Pantry . . . . . .

[Perpetua]

Jul 3, 2017 19:49:17 GMT catx said:

They have changed their price now. From £14 for 30ml to £10 for 30ml. Was claimed to have been a mistake...

I don't think so . . . .

More as a result of the reaction elsewhere that's brought about the reduction!

[catx]

Jul 3, 2017 20:52:15 GMT Perpetua said:

Jul 3, 2017 19:49:17 GMT catx said:

They have changed their price now. From £14 for 30ml to £10 for 30ml. Was claimed to have been a mistake...

I don't think so . . . .

More as a result of the reaction elsewhere that's brought about the reduction!

Yup, I have to agree.

It's good they have listen I guess, but the 50% thing and the fact I can't vape 50/50 has put me right off... 

[Perpetua]

Jul 3, 2017 21:00:34 GMT catx said:

 the fact I can't vape 50/50 has put me right off... 

You've probably seen this catx . . . . but for those that don't do FB:




I'm still out, as I refuse to be ripped off overcharged when there are so many other flavoursome one shots about.

Charge a premium price I can do that for something I really enjoy . . . . . but in a standard flavour concentrate blend, why make something quite straightforward, more complicated than needs be.

Only one reason springs to mind.

[kreed]

oops....wrong one 

[catx]

Jul 3, 2017 21:11:46 GMT Perpetua said:

Jul 3, 2017 21:00:34 GMT catx said:

 the fact I can't vape 50/50 has put me right off... 

You've probably seen this catx . . . . but for those that don't do FB:




I'm still out, as I refuse to be ripped off overcharged when there are so many other flavoursome one shots about.

Charge a premium price I can do that for something I really enjoy . . . . . but in a standard flavour concentrate blend, why make something quite straightforward, more complicated than needs be.

Only one reason springs to mind.

I do like Mrs Lords but their price point has only been a bit meh. Now, if they did a real con (as I really don't get this doubler thing, it's not a concentrate IMO) at £10 for 30ml and mixing it at 25% I'd be happy. 
Bringing the price down will help but I doubt they'll get as much business as they'd hope for.. Which is a shame as once i'd got a better tank and understood that vaping at 12mg was what was killing my throat, Mrs lords juices finally got me fully of cigs..
But yup, i'm out too. To expensive and too complicated.

[Perpetua]

Jul 3, 2017 21:45:08 GMT catx said:

 Now, if they did a real con (as I really don't get this doubler thing, it's not a concentrate IMO) at £10 for 30ml

They would have been onto a winner, also making it attractive for anyone with a PG sensitivity or who just prefers a higher VG mix . . . . .

Although ' Doublers ' aren't essentially complicated, just not what the vast majority of us are used to or necessarily prefer because of the limitations on VG/PG ratios.

[jtc]

Terrible behaviour from a vendor who deserves to go bust! 😠

[DaveJ]

Yep - "doublers" are pretty common down here in Australia.

They stem from our "no-nic" laws. In the early days, juice sellers came up with a method to sell these nic free "double flavoured no-nic mixers" that the customer then mixed half and half with (at the time) readily available privately sourced nic base from OS (like, Mount Barker Vapor) which were commonly available at 36 or 45 mg/ml nic strength. Back then, stronger quality nic was far harder to come by.

As higher strength nic base became more readily available, it became feasible to splash a little hi-octane nic into full strength "ready to vape nic free" juice without diluting the flavour too much ... but the use of doublers had established it's hold and remains very popular. Of course many DIY and others order RTV from OS and still more top off no-nic ready to vape with a little hi-octane nic.

Nowdays, what I do is brew up my own daily use "nic base" from hi-octane source mixed with PG/VG. I'll mix up a bigish bottle (maybe half a litre) at double my vaping strength. I then am ready to mix that "half and half" with shop bought flavour doublers when I get a new order in.

What your Juice seller seems to have missed though, is that most of our juice vendors who offer doublers normally offer them in a choice of PG/VG ratios - and often from full PG to max VG. From there, of course, it's easy to accommodate any users preferred ratio.

AS to cost? Well our doublers also cost far more than full "DIY" mixing. But ours also vary considerably from vendor to vendor and each user has to balance flavour, worth vs cost. I know I pay a lot more for my juice than many. *shrug*

Jul 3, 2017 20:51:34 GMT Lee said:

....They have used the word "premium", which as any gullible mug will know, makes the liquid exclusive and special and worth the extra money

Ah! We've had the same issue here, except using the word "artisian". Around some longer term vapers in Oz "Artisian" has come to be a slur signifying a scammer/shyster.

[Pepperty]

I balanced the excessive DIY cost (£10 doubler and nicotine plus vg price) to get to 60ml of a favourite juice to be acceptable to me, compared to their original ready made price of £18 for 30ml <<or even worse post TDP, priced at £5 per 10ml = £60 >>

So Mrs Lords costing me about £12 for 60ml works out as 'reasonable' for a rare treat. I understand why they have done it, and they always were one of the most expensive eliquids on the market, but the ratio and costing was grim!

I'd obviously prefer a stronger concentrate so I could have higher VG but I can and do vape 50/50 occasionally but it does limit many DIY mixers at the present blend so they are losing a chunk of the DIY market at the moment by only offering a heavy pg mix.

I'll blow the dust off my nautilus tanks and earmark them for this juice, I want it to last out! I used to only do Halycon Hazes 'Gin Addiction' in my protank 3's as 20ml could last me months

[Perpetua]

Thank you for you first hand insight into the world of ' Doublers ' DaveJ .

Credit where credit is due . . . . .  the feedback from mixers has been taken on the chin. So it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

[BrenD]

Aaaaand they're back.

£14 for 30ml of actual concentrate or £10 for 60ml bottles of 'easy-mix' that'll need nicotine. £1.50 for a nic shot when you can get them elsewhere for a quid or less is a tad steep, though. They could sell them for £1 and still make a decent profit on the shots at the price they must be paying for them.

Will I be buying any concentrates at that price? Probably not. If they are closer to a tenner a go at VF? Maybe.

[djs]

Jul 3, 2017 18:11:34 GMT thebishman said:

How to get excited...and then depressed in 10seconds

30ml concentrate for £14.00.

*stuff deleted* (naughty words and expletives)

I make that twice as much concentrate needed to mix at twice the price compared to most places.

That's 4 times as expensive.

Jog on.

[BrenD]

Jul 13, 2017 18:04:34 GMT djs said:

Jul 3, 2017 18:11:34 GMT thebishman said:

How to get excited...and then depressed in 10seconds

30ml concentrate for £14.00.

*stuff deleted* (naughty words and expletives)

I make that twice as much concentrate needed to mix at twice the price compared to most places.

That's 4 times as expensive.

Jog on.

This is a lot better than their first effort!

[djs]

Jul 13, 2017 18:34:39 GMT BrenD said:

This is a lot better than their first effort!

The mind boggles.

I can see my slipping by their marquee at VF with a brisk walk and a few puffs of Chef's Flavour DIY at a more reasonable (but still quite pricey) £8.00 concentrate.

[Perpetua]

Jul 13, 2017 13:58:53 GMT BrenD said:

Will I be buying any concentrates at that price? Probably not. If they are closer to a tenner a go at VF? Maybe.

Same here Bren . . . . let's be honest, these were never ever going to be less than a top premium price.

And, they have listened, taken on-board all the much justified criticism - the whole concept has been reworked as requested, so in my world you have to give anyone some credit for that. Even if the price isn't to your liking or budget.

It will still work out cheaper for any fans of the range to mix versus pre-made . . . . .

www.mrslordspantry.co.uk/collections/concentrates

www.mrslordspantry.co.uk/collections/easy-mix-range