Shortfills and Nic shots expained?

[stu1873]

I do still mix my own liquids and i just used concentrates for flavouring but i have been noticing sellers selling shortfill's and nic shot's. What's the deal with using this method? I take it this has come about from the TPD regulation a while ago?

As i had a stash of 72mg nic i have been using up that  but i have been looking for new flavours i have come across this new method.


Can anyone please explain to me how you go about getting the correct nic level from one of these shortfill bottles? 

[Perpetua]

Apr 1, 2018 13:15:03 GMT stu1873 said:

I do still mix my own liquids and i just used concentrates for flavouring but i have been noticing sellers selling shortfill's and nic shot's. What's the deal with using this method? I take it this has come about from the TPD regulation a while ago?

Exactly that stu1873 . . . . shortfills are essentially designed to take 18mg nic shots, they're a 0mg base, which is a workaround this ridiculous TPD which we are lumbered with.





The couple of occasions I've used them, I've calculated how much higher strength nic base I've needed based on the finished shortfill volume, added that - then just topped up with VG.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Shortfill bottles and nic shots are only of use together to achieve low nic e-liquid.

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 60ml of 3mg/ml e-liquid.
50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus two 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 70ml of 5.1mg/ml e-liquid. ... but I'm unsure whether a 60ml nominal bottle will fit 70ml??

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They still can be used to make stronger e-liquid if 72mg/ml nicbase is available:

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 72mg/ml nicbase will make 60ml of 12mg/ml e-liquid.

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What strength e-liquid are you looking to achieve stu1873 ?

[stu1873]

So if i were to buy a shortfill i just have to try and calculate how much of my 72mg nic i have to add to attain my desired nic level for the whole bottle?

Or if i buy 18mg nic shots and i want to attain say a 12mg overall nic level from a 120ml shortfill bottle i would have to add 8x 10 ml bottles. is that correct?

[Perpetua]

Apr 1, 2018 13:32:24 GMT stu1873 said:

So if i were to buy a shortfill i just have to try and calculate how much of my 72mg nic i have to add to attain my desired nic level for the whole bottle?

Or if i buy 18mg nic shots and i want to attain say a 12mg overall nic level from a 120ml shortfill bottle i would have to add 8x 10 ml bottles. is that correct?

Yes and yes Stu.

[stu1873]

Apr 1, 2018 13:29:41 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Shortfill bottles and nic shots are only of use together to achieve low nic e-liquid.

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 60ml of 3mg/ml e-liquid.
50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus two 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 70ml of 5.1mg/ml e-liquid. ... but I'm unsure whether a 60ml nominal bottle will fit 70ml??

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They still can be used to make stronger e-liquid if 72mg/ml nicbase is available:

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 72mg/ml nicbase will make 60ml of 12mg/ml e-liquid.

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What strength e-liquid are you looking to achieve stu1873 ?

I am looking to achieve a mixture of 6mg, 12mg and 18mg to use with my various tanks that are either DL or MTL mate

[Postmodern Smoking]

Apr 1, 2018 13:32:24 GMT stu1873 said:

So if i were to buy a shortfill i just have to try and calculate how much of my 72mg nic i have to add to attain my desired nic level for the whole bottle?

Or if i buy 18mg nic shots and i want to attain say a 12mg overall nic level from a 120ml shortfill bottle i would have to add 8x 10 ml bottles. is that correct?

I don't think that Perpetua 's table is strictly correct... according to my calculations/ e-juice me up "nic combine tool"

But if you are wanting to make 12mg/ml... with nichots, you will be diluting the shortfill liquid A LOT!
If however you use 72mg/ml nicbase, it would be more acceptable.

[stu1873]

Apr 1, 2018 13:36:08 GMT Perpetua said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:32:24 GMT stu1873 said:

So if i were to buy a shortfill i just have to try and calculate how much of my 72mg nic i have to add to attain my desired nic level for the whole bottle?

Or if i buy 18mg nic shots and i want to attain say a 12mg overall nic level from a 120ml shortfill bottle i would have to add 8x 10 ml bottles. is that correct?

Yes and yes Stu.

Makes it quite expensive compared to using nicbase from what i am looking at then.

Any ideas on how to calculate Nic Salts? It seems this is also a new way to use Nic albeit it seems to be mostly used in pod type systems.

[Perpetua]

Apr 1, 2018 13:37:58 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

I don't think that Perpetua 's table is strictly correct... according to my calculations/ e-juice me up "nic combine tool"

Taken from a Vendor's site Dave!

Apr 1, 2018 13:37:58 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

But if you are wanting to make 12mg/ml... with nichots, you will be diluting the shortfill liquid A LOT!
If however you use 72mg/ml nicbase, it would be more acceptable.

Agreed . . . . and that's how I've used them. Which works very successfully.

[stu1873]

Apr 1, 2018 13:37:58 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:32:24 GMT stu1873 said:

So if i were to buy a shortfill i just have to try and calculate how much of my 72mg nic i have to add to attain my desired nic level for the whole bottle?

Or if i buy 18mg nic shots and i want to attain say a 12mg overall nic level from a 120ml shortfill bottle i would have to add 8x 10 ml bottles. is that correct?

I don't think that Perpetua 's table is strictly correct... according to my calculations/ e-juice me up "nic combine tool"

But if you are wanting to make 12mg/ml... with nichots, you will be diluting the shortfill liquid A LOT!
If however you use 72mg/ml nicbase, it would be more acceptable.

I see, so shortfills and nic shots are pretty much to be used at max 6mg but if i use some 72mg nicbase then i don't have to use as much liquid therefore not diluting the flavour as much.

[Perpetua]

Apr 1, 2018 13:41:34 GMT stu1873 said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:36:08 GMT Perpetua said:

Yes and yes Stu.

Makes it quite expensive compared to using nicbase from what i am looking at then.

Any ideas on how to calculate Nic Salts? It seems this is also a new way to use Nic albeit it seems to be mostly used in pod type systems.

The same . . . . although from what I've read, they give a cleaner more direct hit than freebase - so users have reported lowering their normal strength to compensate.

If you're looking for a higher strength nic base supplier, I can PM you a link.

Apr 1, 2018 13:42:53 GMT stu1873 said:

I see, so shortfills and nic shots are pretty much to be used at max 6mg but if i use some 72mg nicbase then i don't have to use as much liquid therefore not diluting the flavour as much.

Yes.

[stu1873]

Thank you both for the replies. It has gotten me up to speed regarding what i was struggling on.

Love this place for the knowledge and friendly people on it.

Have a happy Easter.

[stu1873]

Apr 1, 2018 13:45:05 GMT Perpetua said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:41:34 GMT stu1873 said:

Makes it quite expensive compared to using nicbase from what i am looking at then.

Any ideas on how to calculate Nic Salts? It seems this is also a new way to use Nic albeit it seems to be mostly used in pod type systems.

The same . . . . although from what I've read, they give a cleaner more direct hit than freebase - so users have reported lowering their normal strength to compensate.

If you're looking for higher strength nic base supplier, I can PM you a link.

Apr 1, 2018 13:42:53 GMT stu1873 said:

I see, so shortfills and nic shots are pretty much to be used at max 6mg but if i use some 72mg nicbase then i don't have to use as much liquid therefore not diluting the flavour as much.

Yes.

That would be great thanks

[Perpetua]

Apr 1, 2018 13:50:01 GMT stu1873 said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:45:05 GMT Perpetua said:

The same . . . . although from what I've read, they give a cleaner more direct hit than freebase - so users have reported lowering their normal strength to compensate.

If you're looking for higher strength nic base supplier, I can PM you a link.
 

That would be great thanks

And done did!

[Postmodern Smoking]

Apr 1, 2018 13:37:53 GMT stu1873 said:

Apr 1, 2018 13:29:41 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Shortfill bottles and nic shots are only of use together to achieve low nic e-liquid.

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 60ml of 3mg/ml e-liquid.
50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus two 10ml 18mg/ml nicshot will make 70ml of 5.1mg/ml e-liquid. ... but I'm unsure whether a 60ml nominal bottle will fit 70ml??

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They still can be used to make stronger e-liquid if 72mg/ml nicbase is available:

50ml of 0 nic e-liquid (in a 60ml bottle) plus one 10ml 72mg/ml nicbase will make 60ml of 12mg/ml e-liquid.

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What strength e-liquid are you looking to achieve stu1873 ?

I am looking to achieve a mixture of 6mg, 12mg and 18mg to use with my various tanks that are either DL or MTL mate

I'll do the calculations for you later at 6, 12 and 18mg/ml, using 72mg/ml nic (I'm busy at the moment)