World No Tobacco Day - who knew?

[Anne (fuzzy)]

The way I see it is, (or maybe that should be was) it's a free country and adults should be left to make up their own minds as to what they choose to do or not do, as long as it's legal.
If we condemn smokers, then as ex smokers ourselves, we'd all be hypocrites.

[womble]

Jun 2, 2012 0:52:52 GMT Anne (fuzzy) said:

The way I see it is, (or maybe that should be was) it's a free country and adults should be left to make up their own minds as to what they choose to do or not do, as long as it's legal.
If we condemn smokers, then as ex smokers ourselves, we'd all be hypocrites.

But a no tobacco day is hurting who?

I want people to stop smoking, why on earth is that wrong?

What difference is it to the no smoking day?

Of course we all have our own minds, I really don't get it, NTD should be a great thing for the e-cigs movement (I don't like to call it that, but it must suffice), we're not using tobacco....... or are we using tobacco and that is the problem?

[domesticextremist]

(Picking on your avatar for an example)
Riding a motorcycle is statistically a more dangerous form of transport,
however, I would not agree that a no biking day is necessary or desirable.

Those who bike should know the risks and accept them without an annual
day of nannying from the rest of us.

My specific problem with no tobacco day is the lack of distinction between
tobacco smoking, other less harmful tobacco products (e.g. snus) and simple
enjoyment of nicotine - which a certain puritan element want to prevent.

[CAM-VIP]

,,,,,plus the nicotine we vape in our tooters comes from tobacco.

No tobacco = no eliquid

Smoking, tobacco and nicotine are three different issues. Smoking is the problem. BBQ'd food is 'smoked' and so are kippers, but we don't have 'World no BBQ day' or 'World no kipper day'!!!

[OneDay]

Thank you Russel, I now understand the distinction. So, I support no smoking day but not, necessarily, no tobacco day.

[maccafan]

So do they advocate stopping the use of insecticides or patches or NRT?

I think World No Tobacco Day is to stop using tobacco in a damaging way..Chewing tobacco kills more people than is realised.

[hifistud]

Jun 2, 2012 0:32:41 GMT womble said:

Jun 1, 2012 22:28:26 GMT hifistud said:

Cos it's another attempt by Big Brother to control what we proles do and what we think. Not nice.

As a prole, you are going to have to explain that further.

Some people want to stop other people using tobacco and you think that is a problem? I'm very confused. And confuddled.

We want people to stop using tobacco, yes? Where does BB come into this?

Do we? I don't want to stop anyone doing anything that doesn't damage other folks. I would like people to be allowed to make informed decisions and not be forced or coerced into them. Big Brother keeps telling us that this is bad for us and we shouldn't do it, that is bad for us and we shouldn't do it, and very often with absolutely no scientific basis.

Various governments enact stupid laws that impinge on the individual's liberties and right to conduct their lives as they see fit. Just because someone in authority doesn't like it doesn't mean you should be stopped from doing it.

I know what the risks of tobacco use are - I would imagine most folks in the first world do - with that knowledge, I consider that's it's my choice whether or not to use it - not government's or anyone else's - I have no god-given right to enforce my views on other people - if they want to use tobacco, that's their choice - not mine or anyone else's.

[hifistud]

Jun 2, 2012 10:02:46 GMT OneDay said:

Thank you Russel, I now understand the distinction. So, I support no smoking day but not, necessarily, no tobacco day.

I don't support that, either. It's nobody's business but the smoker's.

At the risk of being really crass, would you support world no blowjob day, world no coffee day, world no mars bar day, world no snogging day? Because, somewhere in the world, there are folks that would support each of those purely because they don't like doing whatever the day is about.

Can't remember who said it, but when they've got rid of everything you don't like, get really worried, because they'll be coming for what YOU like next.

[OneDay]

It's not about something we don't like Hifi, it's about something that's known to cause damage. I suspect that most people on this forum gave up smoking for health reasons, and I have heard many say they wish their friends or family would stop too. These world whatever days don't impinge on people's rights, they don't ban things, they just raise awareness

[Gordy]

Jun 2, 2012 10:48:15 GMT hifistud said:

I have no god-given right to enforce my views on other people

this tickled me Dave... wish the jehovah witness had the same view

[womble]

Jun 2, 2012 10:53:44 GMT hifistud said:

Jun 2, 2012 10:02:46 GMT OneDay said:

Thank you Russel, I now understand the distinction. So, I support no smoking day but not, necessarily, no tobacco day.

I don't support that, either. It's nobody's business but the smoker's.

At the risk of being really crass, would you support world no blowjob day, world no coffee day, world no mars bar day, world no snogging day? Because, somewhere in the world, there are folks that would support each of those purely because they don't like doing whatever the day is about.

Can't remember who said it, but when they've got rid of everything you don't like, get really worried, because they'll be coming for what YOU like next.

Rubbish, I'm starting to get a little tired of this "everyone's out to get us" mentality.

No tobacco day, is a day to highlight the damage tobacco does. And I still support it.

[CAM-VIP]

Tobacco is a lovely looking plant and left to its own devices it merely gives us the oxygen we breathe

What people choose to do with tobacco maybe a problem to some and that includes extracting its nicotine to make NRTs and eliquids.

That is why I do not support No Tobacco Day Womble.

[alijoy60]

Oh dear Hi Fi, I wish I could expand on tthe first suggestion for a "No Whatever Day" - could have so much fun with that concept.......!

A pure filth thread.

Ali x

[hifistud]

Jun 2, 2012 13:59:09 GMT womble said:

Rubbish, I'm starting to get a little tired of this "everyone's out to get us" mentality.

No tobacco day, is a day to highlight the damage tobacco does. And I still support it.

Who said everybody's out to get us?? I'm not - what I am saying, though, is that governments are becoming more and more controlling. Consider things that were legal in the past that have no effect on anyone other than the user, and are now illegal.

Consider that HMG "advised" that wearing a seatbelt was good idea. That's fine and fair enough. But now it's illegal not to. Who gets damaged for not wearing one? The person NOT wearing one - nobody else! Stupid and almost unenforceable law. Had it been sensible, we'd have seen a vast and obvious drop in the numbers of RTA deaths the day after it became law. We didn't, and still haven't.

Marijuana was a legal and widely used substance in Victorian times - indeed Queen Victoria herself used it (on a monthly basis) - but the do-gooders decided it was too enjoyable, and now it's illegal to even grow, much less use. And yet Digitialis (deadly), Laburnum (deadly) Nightshade (deadly) and others are OK to grow - and smoke if you like? Why??

There's talk of them trying to denormalise caffeine use, denormalise Maccy D eating, denormalising the friday night skinful and so on and so forth - and none of them are for any scientific reason at all.

The WHO's principle objection to e-cigs (you know, the people who started the whole no tobacco day thing) is that they look like cigarettes and thus interfere with the process of the denormalisation of smoking and demonisation of smokers.

It's insidious, immoral and an affront to the individual liberties of every citizen.

[Bluefish]

Jun 3, 2012 0:27:47 GMT hifistud said:

Jun 2, 2012 13:59:09 GMT womble said:

Rubbish, I'm starting to get a little tired of this "everyone's out to get us" mentality.

No tobacco day, is a day to highlight the damage tobacco does. And I still support it.

Who said everybody's out to get us?? I'm not - what I am saying, though, is that governments are becoming more and more controlling. Consider things that were legal in the past that have no effect on anyone other than the user, and are now illegal.

Consider that HMG "advised" that wearing a seatbelt was good idea. That's fine and fair enough. But now it's illegal not to. Who gets damaged for not wearing one? The person NOT wearing one - nobody else! Stupid and almost unenforceable law. Had it been sensible, we'd have seen a vast and obvious drop in the numbers of RTA deaths the day after it became law. We didn't, and still haven't.

Marijuana was a legal and widely used substance in Victorian times - indeed Queen Victoria herself used it (on a monthly basis) - but the do-gooders decided it was too enjoyable, and now it's illegal to even grow, much less use. And yet Digitialis (deadly), Laburnum (deadly) Nightshade (deadly) and others are OK to grow - and smoke if you like? Why??

There's talk of them trying to denormalise caffeine use, denormalise Maccy D eating, denormalising the friday night skinful and so on and so forth - and none of them are for any scientific reason at all.

The WHO's principle objection to e-cigs (you know, the people who started the whole no tobacco day thing) is that they look like cigarettes and thus interfere with the process of the denormalisation of smoking and demonisation of smokers.

It's insidious, immoral and an affront to the individual liberties of every citizen.

And back in the box, jesus you can't argue with people like this, seatbelt's haven't cut road deaths, i need a double facepalm smiley, cos sometimes one just don't cut it.