Selling MOD's and responsability

[womble]

I've often wondered why mods don't have a little replaceable fuse in them? I presume there must be a reason.

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Size and cost Womble, it si hard to get everything into the smallest of spaces (hence my many re designs of my mods)

the fuses I have been looking at is these www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10X-4A-Amp-Pink-Mini-Size-Fuse-Car-Auto-Motor-Bike-Blade-Fuses-/110785338571?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19cb521ccb

IT will protrude slightly from the side and would be user replacable. What do you think? I have got some at 10A rating and they pop very well with a direct short on a 2000mAh battery

[syycoe]

can you not put a screw cap panel fuse holder with a glass fuse in you can then put a slow blow or fast blow fuse more closely rated to what you like as they are black and nearly flush fitting will not ruin the lines of your mod and easily replaced

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

that is an option I have looked at but it is the relastate that it takes up inside of the mod. If it was a standard box mod then yes that would be very good, but as mine are all tube ones (so far) it just would not go.

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

as you are using tube mods you could of course put in a li-ion PCB straight through in the mod which would fit and wouldnt take up too much room again this would reset but would basicly give the mod the same protection as that on a battery itself

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Jun 17, 2012 21:24:22 GMT warlordxxx - (Mark) said:

as you are using tube mods you could of course put in a li-ion PCB straight through in the mod which would fit and wouldnt take up too much room again this would reset but would basicly give the mod the same protection as that on a battery itself

can you recomend any in particular?

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

i cant recommend them as i've not used them but they would certainly be worthwhile testing to see if they would be good for your particular mod www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-pcs-PCB-for-3-7V-16340-18650-Li-ion-Lipo-Battery-Pack-/180895503476?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item2a1e365474

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Cheers mate, I have actually just ordered 2 packs of these
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180888699745?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I will have a few spare that I can try to destroy so I know how well they will work.

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

Excellent well be sure to post what happens - i suspect that the board will just trip and reset

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

in the description it says Release Condition Cut Load So I think your right, if it shorts the fault condition will need to be removed before the pcb will operate again.

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Back on to the subject of responsibility. Though I will do everything to ensure that the mod is as safe as it can be (being used for what it was built for). If they are sold as seen, or sold as decorative items then is it not the user who would be the one held responsible, rather then the seller. cos the argument goes

You sold them something dangerous
I sold them a display piece
your responsible for their actions while using it.
I cant be held responsible because it was being used in a way that i was not designed to do, and that is to be used. It was sold as a display piece

How about that for a get out of jail card?

Warlord, still not got them yet but will get back to you on how they work

[jiggsbro]

Legally, the fact that you have sold them something designed to take batteries and be used as an electrical appliance would probably over-ride any conceit that it was a 'display piece'. A court would be likely to rule that there was an implicit understanding of use for purpose. The best defence is to make something that is safe when used appropriately, that has clear instructions on how to use it appropriately and that has clear warnings about specific, identified, inappropriate uses and the likely outcomes of such inappropriate uses.

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Jigg, as you will see from the other posts in this thread, The matter of putting safety first in any mod device had been covered. What the whole point of this discussion is to what level of protection does the modder have from being liable after sale, if there was something to happen. With all the best intent in the world things still go wrong. It is like Warlord said, he sells his mods without the batteries. If the user puts a battery into it then they are taking the liability for the device because of the dangerous thing about any mod is the battery that is put in it. The use of protected batteries should mean that any failure of the device and the batteries built in protection would be the safety feature, if that then fails than it is the battery manufacturer that is liable and not the mod.

Actualy now that I have said that it does make total sense.

[jiggsbro]

I have read the thread, thanks. I'm simply pointing out the legal flaws in the artificial defence of selling mods as 'display pieces'. Similarly, selling them without batteries is no defence if they become dangerous when batteries are inserted (and they're clearly designed to have batteries inserted). If the instructions do not make it clear which batteries are safe and which are not, and the circumstances in which batteries might become unsafe, then it really doesn't matter whether it was sold with batteries or not. In fact, selling with batteries, as long as they're the recommended, safe batteries, would be more of a defence, especially if you've made it clear to the buyer that the batteries you've supplied are appropriate and that those are the only type of battery that they should use. If you sell a device designed to take batteries, the user does not take liability simply by inserting batteries: the liability remains with the manufacturer, who has a duty to provide a safe product with clear instructions on how to use it safely and clear warnings on how to avoid risk. It's rarely a good idea to assume that what seems like common sense is therefore how the law sees things. There's rarely any connection between the law and common sense.

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

I agree with you about the tenuous link between common sense & law lol
I was not saying that you were just jumping in with a random comment when I said about reading the thread, I was just referring to the many safety features that will be used in anything I make. As I wouldn't even give away something that I thought risky to use & was not totally happy with it. In a lot of ways it would be more safe than a lot of what we class as a commercial product.
I think that if I did sell anything the user would have to try very hard to make it dangerous.