Selling MOD's and responsability

[azzie]

Im pretty sure contractual 'get out clauses' are not valid legally, I`ll see if I can find something.

How often do you have to sign a contract when you buy a new kettle?

..and where is the mod anyway, we are all curious

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

I am taking my time with the mods as I want them to work perfectly, there is also I am finding it difficult to get the parts so am having to change my designs to fit the parts in I can get. At the moment I have 5 different mods on the go all waiting parts from China which is anoying me. I do also have a few Tank designs that are coming together nicely I am just being lazy with them lol.

I started this thread because of the worry about if I do sell them, What am I letting myself in for leagally.

[kibbutzangel]

I'm not sure but it might be worth checking your own home insurance - I seem to remember there might be some sort of public liability under that. Might be talking rubbish, of course

[fagin]

Jun 17, 2012 0:47:05 GMT Batdragon (AKA Batty) said:

So what I am thinking is that if I do want to sell a mod, what I should do is put it in a box. The sale would be for the box, the contents of which would be the mod which would be free. As I am only selling a box, then it would be fit for use, if a problem occurred with the mod, then that would not of been sold. Would that be a get out clause?

Nope. A wink wink sale wouldn't work. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions, simple as.
And even if you are not held liable in court, the whole process can be very expensive.

[fagin]

Jun 17, 2012 14:57:06 GMT kibbutzangel said:

I'm not sure but it might be worth checking your own home insurance - I seem to remember there might be some sort of public liability under that. Might be talking rubbish, of course

You will have Public Liabilty under your home insurance, but it will generally exclude any commercial transaction. It will always exclude goods sold or supplied.

[violetblade]

So batty if you sold me some juices and slipped a mod in my package we might be ok #icon_rofl# #icon_rofl#

that way you didnt sell me a mod you sold me juice with an added freebee

[violetblade]

All I can say is I'd rather have a mod from a man who has worked with electrics and knows what he is doing than someone who watched a youtube video and learned that way but even if you cant sell them batty I still cant wait to see them

[Roger]

Jun 17, 2012 11:26:05 GMT azzie said:

Im pretty sure contractual 'get out clauses' are not valid legally, I`ll see if I can find something.

How often do you have to sign a contract when you buy a new kettle?

..and where is the mod anyway, we are all curious

You are covered by the Sale of Goods Act.

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

are there any modders on here that have sold and how do they do it then?

[violetblade]

you should pm warlordxxx he's lovely and always willing to help if you look on the modders section you will find him easily in there in the pink and purple mods discussion

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

Hi Batty sorry for joining this thread a bit late - I did notice it going on but i've been following it very closely -

Certainly any mod maker is open to being sued in the event of something going wrong but here's my take on it - The mods i have made and sold are all accompanied by a little how to on battery safety nic tips etc ...

In every single mod that i have made there is a "kill" switch which disconnects the battery at the closest possible instance as well as how to operate the switch should shorting occur and a recommendation that the mod is switched off when not in use - each wire that i place inside is either heatshrinked or has a layer of epoxy over the top. But the most important part is that i do not and have not sold any batteries with my mods whatsoever - why you ask - well i can certainly make sure my mod is as safe as possible but i cannot take apart a battery and make sure it's constructed properly without destroying the battery.

when all said and done most mods only fail in two places - the atty connector (there's no need to tighten the heck out of it) and the battery - if a short occurs then it's very noticeable - as you will see with an eGo battery when it shorts the light goes on - the mods are the same if it shorts the light will turn on without pressing the fire button but unlike an eGo battery the "kill" switch once activated will immediately stop the current passing through and stop the circuit from shorting .

I personally don't have liability insurance as i am a personal seller - that certainly doesn't protect me from being sued should something happen but i do sleep soundly in the knowledge that my mods have been tested by me personally and have been made to a standard that i would not only sell but use and abuse myself on a daily basis. As well as being tested fully to the capacity of the mod itself.

What i would certainly advise is to use your finished mod first for some months abuse it a bit treat it like someone made it for you rather than you for yourself if its taken everything you throw at it and still vapes like a train.

Also read up about li-ion batteries yourself find out what can go wrong and why it goes wrong - This is one of the reasons i really won't make a mod with charging built in.

Finally advise any person that is interested in the mod that you are making everything that you know about batteries battery safety and the safety features that you have built in your mod - The more knowledge that you can pass onto them the better - Most if not all here already know that if their batteries are getting red hot put it down and leg it lol

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Thank you Warlordxxx I was not intending to supply batteries with any of my mods, as like you say, they might be using good batteries or get some really duff ones from fleabay which I would have no controll over. One of the things I also totally agree with you on is that if and when I do build a mod, I will be testing it to destruction before I let anyone else near it, so i can say hand on heart that it is safe (to the best of my knowledge) to use as a vaping device. If the user was to put it in a washing machine with a battery in it I would not be able to say that the water would not get to the lithium and explode.

I have not got anythig on the go that uses my own circuitry atm and everything I have used is from recognised sources. I am also trying to incorporate a replacable fuse in every device that is a proper circuit breaker in the case of overload. I did originallly get 10 Amp fuses but am thinking that they might be a little high, though in my initial tests it poped the fuse quite well from just a little 2000mAh battery.

I couldn't live with myself if I had sold something that I did not think was as safe as it could be. IT is not just a case of getting something to heat up a coil, but the whole dynamics of every bit going together and working safely with as much as can be taken into consideration as possible.

I am going to shut up now as I am rambeling lol

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

Actually a resetting fuse would be much better for the mods www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/product/551333/MF-R-fuse-3-A these are rated at 3a and will trip at 6a resetting when the circuit is broken - so on something like a short these would be perfect be aware though that these do add a little resistance to the circuit - To be perfectly honest there's not a great deal that can go wrong with a single battery mod - but without rambling on about battery safety i would just advise to read as much as possible

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

I used to work in a battery shop, and I dont mean a shop that sold them, I used to re condition the batteries for forklift trucks, and deal with Lithium and cadmium (which are both nasty stuff) where we had no manner of safety procedures to adhear to. I did look at the resetting fuses, but what I did not like is that they would self reset if the fault disapeard, have you used them yourself then?

[warlordxxx - (Mark)]

Very true but if its a short that dissapears and re-appears the fuse would again trip - i haven't used those but there if it's a pop and won't work again after type fuse you are after something like this would be more appropriate www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Littelfuse-Pico-Fuse-4A-4-Amp-125V-/160689109311?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2569d1393f#ht_694wt_1163 it's really about what you are comfortable putting in your mod - and if you do use one tell the people that are purchasing this is what i put in this is what will happen and if it does happen most importantly it has gone for a reason do not attempt to fix it please contact me