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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 15:01:48 GMT
OK I have had a read of the first wiki, think I understood! So its the belief that only physical things exist and things that have been proved by physics? Sorry if thats a stupid question but it all kind of went over my head a bit and confused me, but I think that is because the first thing I read said
"Physicalism is a philosophical position holding that everything which exists is no more extensive than its physical properties; that is, that there are no kinds of things other than physical things."
Now I see physical things as objects that can be seen, so a magnet would be physical, whereas its magnetic field wouldnt be physical! So I think my confusion is coming from that!
Would you mind giving me a little explation in your own words please! :-[
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 14:27:53 GMT
ive not had days when I cannot taste anything? But then I am odd!! lol
I edited my post from before!
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 14:12:32 GMT
juice - Grizwalds 20mg Honey&Strawberry Icecream
Flavour - Odd
Feeling - Next!
Descriptive word - Strange
Star rating - **
Conclusion - Leave mixing to the pros!
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 13:58:38 GMT
I would take it a step further and not say "anything (anything at all) that is aimed at evaluating or recommending actions, behaviours, ways of living, ways of thinking, etc." but would say it applies to everything that we do and every single word we say!
So as your an Atheist, is it just god that you dont believe in? Any thoughts on the human soul, aura & "Physic gifts"?
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 13:35:18 GMT
Ill take them please if no one else wants them!
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 12:46:22 GMT
No worries, its all a bit complicated since the two are almost identical
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 12:29:23 GMT
Interestingly that sounds very similar to what was said to me when I "flirted" with scientology. I'm not saying it is exactly the same............ only some of the concepts are quite similar I suspect that's because the parts you've emphasised in bold are very general principles about human conduct and would be consistent with a huge range of different moral / ethical theories. I mean, in essence, it's just saying: 'The stuff we do matters. Act positively.' That general idea is bound to be reflected in all kinds of different beliefs all over the planet. I also think the same as VIP & Esme, but I think It goes deeper than just moral theories. By us having this conversation could cause someone to question their beliefs which in turn could lead them to a different pathway and totally alter their life. Ive always thought of it like seeds being planted in the mind. Something you consider to be irellivant could stick in my mind and grow over many years into a thought patteren or belief which could have a big infuliance on my life! Theres a good book about this called The Four Agreements! |
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 12:20:14 GMT
I couldnt decie, I only really read the top paragraph of each, and I think im closer to Panentheism because I do believe that even though this energy is all one, it is not identical. So My being is different from your being, which is different from spirt beings etc. Hard to explain and two Pan...isms seem very similar!
If we think of "god" as Power, then enclose god within a battery, screw on a carto, a drip tip, add some juice, we have a total being of seperate items only working because of the power, without power it would be useless but without the carto it would be useless aswell! So (hopefully this has a point!! lol) God = Power, Universe = battery, People = cartos/clearos whatever, thoughts, ideas & actions = juice!!
"God/UniEn" connects all beings together and gives the energy needed but all the other bits are not god, they just become part of it to fuction! So I still think im Panentheism ???
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 11:35:43 GMT
Kuro, Im hoping this may help you see that the energy we speak of could be classed as an entity/god! Everything is made of energy. We know this, science has proved this. Atoms are energy (but im sure you know that!) So we are made of energy, if there is a god, it would be made of energy as well. The energy i speak of I prefer to call universal energy, because it is omipresent. This energy could well be the energy that sparked the big bang and created the universe. It could be the energy that gives people talents, direction, beliefs, visions, random ideas etc etc etc! But after all this I have found the answer to your question in the orignal post  I am .... Answer D ... Panentheism From WIKI! Panentheism (from Greek πᾶν (pân) "all"; ἐν (en) "in"; and θεός (theós) "God"; "all-in-God") is a belief system which posits that the divine exists (be it a monotheistic God, polytheistic gods, or an eternal cosmic animating force  ), interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it. Panentheism differentiates itself from pantheism, which holds that the divine is synonymous with the universe.[1] |
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 10:37:42 GMT
Annie I am the same, in person it is so much easier to talk about these things! Writing it al down has been quite hard for me! Yes I have read the bible!  not all of it but enough! One question I have always had that no one has been able to answer... In the adam and eve story (cant remember exactly how its wrote), Adam and eve were the first people on earth. When they were evicted from the garden of eden, God marked them so they wouldnt be reckognised by the others (or something along thoese lines) Soooooooo, who were the others? But yeah I agree , god wasnt made to sound good in the bible. Especially that story where he destroyed some blokes life to prove to the devil that he would still worship him! I had a quick google of that guy, I will read some more about him later as it does seem pretty interesting! |
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Post by richdude on Aug 23, 2012 9:01:42 GMT
Lets assume that by reaching the true medititave state/trance you can attain a connection and communication with "god". Whilst being in this meditive state your energy frequency has changed to match that of "god" (the higher frequencies of energy), so does this not mean that, at that moment, you would be a higher frequency being, connected to (so part of) "god/the divine (etc)" I'd still describe this as a type of theism. It's just that you've got unanswered metaphysical questions attached to it. I use the word "metaphysical" because they're questions about the nature of specific types of thing or types of being, as well as the nature of the possible relationships between those things/beings - and that's what metaphysics is generally concerned with. On reflection, though, I'm still having doubts about the question from earlier: Are these higher beings describable as "gods" or does the term "god" not really play a useful role in your world-view? It's a tricky one, because the type of beings you're talking about are not the same as what you'd expect from the traditional Western religious notions of "god". And it's not exactly easy to come up with nice definition along the lines of "A being counts as a "god" if and only if it has the following set of characteristics ... X, Y and Z". I mean, what characteristics count? Omnipotence? Possibly, possibly not. Omnisceince? Again, maybe, maybe not. Benevolence? I don't see why that has to be necessary (the idea of a nasty hateful god doesn't sound like a contradiction in terms). Supernatural powers of some kind? Maybe, but what powers exactly? It's not as if there's an obvious list available! And what about the creation of the universe? Does a being count as a god only if it's responsible for creation? Or can you have gods that exist in a world they didn't actually create? So, all in all, given the lack of a clear definition of "god", I think there's scope for you to say in all honesty 'I do believe in these types of higher being, but I don't know whether they count as "gods" - therefore, I have to be an agnostic, because I can't say for certain whether or not I believe there are such things as gods.' Kurotoshiro, you take analytical thinking to a new level! Cheers, I'll take that as a compliment! (I studied philosophy for a long time, so I've had a lot of practise in analysing these types of issue.) Yes I have no real use of the term God in my way of thinking, but agree 100% with what VIP said "God is energy and is everything" so in essence its not really god in the western sense, more like the god particle. A present energy that hold all other energy together? You are right in saying about methphysics, that is one of my main areas of study and a lot of my beliefs and thought patterns have came from this, plus the study of Reiki and more recently shamanism. Thats why ive been trying to link the higher powers im speaking of to be compairable to what you call a god. Names are just names at the end of the day, God, Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Mother Earth, Father sky etc.... They could all be pointing at exactly the same thing but all worded differently to be acceptable to the different mindset of people. And noone is ever going to know if this is so or not, its just not possible to find out. I am also not a person of blind faith, If you would of asked me when I was 15 if I believed in methaphysics, sprits etc I would of laughed at you! But when I was 16 I got glandular fever, I was seriously ill with it. In bed for 6-8months (of which I rememeber getting it and the end!). Mum told me that a couple of times the doctors thought I was going to die, and that at least once I almost did! Towards the end of the illness I had an "expericance" which tied in perfectly with the last time I almost died. Now im not going to go into detials of what happened but I met two beings that were not of this world/plain. Now I know this could of been illness related and might not of been real, but it changed a lot within me and was prob one of the biggest experiances in my life. It was at that point I knew there was more out there! And still to this day I can be sceptical(sp?) about some things, even when I have witnessed them first hand! So I must be atheist if you want to look from a western/christian point of view, but then in the olden days I would of been burnt for having my beliefs!! LOL! But yes, after your amazing analaysis of my some what abnormal thought patters, I will happliy say I am Agnostic! Great idea for a topic BTW! |
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Post by richdude on Aug 22, 2012 15:26:29 GMT
As for saving money, how do you do it I am way out of pocket
Instead of clicking the BUY box, look higher and to the right. Theres a red cross. Click that instead!!! lol
If it wasnt for that red cross I would have a Lavatube, provari, countless other mods cartos/clearos & a few gallons of juice!! lol
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Post by richdude on Aug 22, 2012 15:04:20 GMT
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Post by richdude on Aug 22, 2012 14:48:20 GMT
Yes, im happy with you to force my answer and in that case I agree with what you have said!! But I still stand by what I did say, ill try and explain!! Lets assume that by reaching the true medititave state/trance you can attain a connection and communication with "god". Whilst being in this meditive state your energy frequency has changed to match that of "god" (the higher frequencies of energy), so does this not mean that, at that moment, you would be a higher frequency being, connected to (so part of) "god/the divine (etc)" |
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Post by richdude on Aug 22, 2012 13:31:01 GMT
Im a believer in the spiritual, all matter is energy that vibrates at different frequencies and all this energy is intertwined as one. I do believe that there are beings out there with a lot higher frequencies than that of our physical world that I suppose I could loosly say some could be refered to as "god" (but personally I do not like to use that term). But as this energy is intertwined then I do not see it as a seperate "being"!
So as to what I am out of the isms....
Theist: Believes that there are such things as gods (possibly just one, possibly more). YES - AS I BELIEVE THERE ARE HIGHER POWERS/ENERGIES IN THE UNIVERSE THAT WILL GUIDE AND ASSIST LIFE!
Atheist: Believes that there are no such things as gods. YES - AS ALL THE ENERGY IS PART OF US AS WE ARE PART OF IT!
Agnostic: Has no firm conviction either way (and may also believe that it's not even possible to know one way or the other). SORT OF - AS WHAT IS REAL FOR ME WILL NOT BE REAL FOR YOU AS EVERYONE PERCIEVES THIER OWN WORLD BASED ON THE EVENTS OF THEIR LIVES, AND JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT IS THAT WAY IT DOESNT MEAN IT ACTUALLY IS!!!
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), interpenetrates every part of nature and timelessly extends beyond it. Panentheism differentiates itself from pantheism, which holds that the divine is synonymous with the universe.[1] 
not all of it but enough! 