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Post by hgvroy on Apr 8, 2013 15:32:13 GMT
That is excellent Dave, I will be using that
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Post by hgvroy on Apr 8, 2013 11:11:10 GMT
They are probably waiting to see what pearls of wisdom the EU finally settle on, then in 18 months time come up with something similar
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Post by hgvroy on Apr 7, 2013 8:52:13 GMT
Hi thehappybeagle and welcome, thanks for the advice but we've been campaigning and lobbying MP's since December, have a good look around the forum for more info
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Post by hgvroy on Apr 6, 2013 16:28:50 GMT
excellent show, caught Tim by surprise by the sound of it
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Post by hgvroy on Apr 2, 2013 12:22:01 GMT
From Wiki
Ingredients Basic ingredients in air fresheners typically include fragrances, aerosol propellants, and solvents such as mineral oil or 2-butoxyethanol and other glycol ethers. As fragrances, air freshener preparations often include terpenes such as limonene. A report issued in 2005 by the Bureau Européen des Unions de Consommateurs (BEUC) found that many air freshener products emit allergens and toxic air pollutants including benzene, formaldehyde, terpenes, styrene, phthalate esters, and toluene.[2] A study in 2006 found that the prominent products of the reaction of terpenes found in air fresheners with ozone included formaldehyde, hydroxyl radical, and secondary ultrafine particles.[3]
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 30, 2013 9:15:12 GMT
It is only the nickel that is higher than fags, nickel is low on the list of dangerous products, and total particles are a small fraction of those in cigarette smoke. The involvement of Prue Talbot makes it all a bit questionable anyway, although I wouldn't complain about the others - I don't think we can dismiss research because the people who do it previously worked on anti-smoking stuff or for the pharma industry - these people have to learn the skills somewhere. This won't stop me using cartos occasionally, but I agree that if you are happy with a Nova or whatever then that seems better. Giles, as far as I can gather Monique Williams is still working for big pharma and was heavily involved with Prue Talbot in the experiments for this research which for me makes it bias, also in the few carto's here that have been pulled apart, none are anywhere near as bad as the ones shown in the research. If anyone else has got any old carto's, pull them apart and report back and i would bet that we won't find any that are anywhere near the state of the ones shown in the experiments
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 29, 2013 17:17:30 GMT
the plot thickens, doing some more digging another one of the authors of this is a Monique Williams, there is a Monique Williams who happens to be Regional Senior CRA at i3 Research i3 Research describes itself as "a global company that's helping shape the future of pharmaceutical products"
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 16:52:02 GMT
Just been doing some digging around on the net, if you look at the citation part of this research the name Talbot P pops up Citation: Williams M, Villarreal A, Bozhilov K, Lin S, Talbot P (2013) Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol. PLoS ONE 8(3): e57987. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0057987 This is Prue Talbot, she has been spitting blood about smoking for years and is about as ANTIZ as you can get and lately she has turned her venom towards e cigs www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2010/12/prue-talbot-junk-science-and-electronic-cigarettes.html
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 14:36:49 GMT
How hot to the coils get? 120-130 degrees C? And common solder melts at 160 roughly. It may not melt I suppose. But heating up and water getting on to it, surely it will corrode? Maybe I'm just over thinking things again lol. I`m speculating here, but are citrus fruit type e liquids not going to have a greater effect? I suppose it depends on whether any of the flavorings actually contain any citric acid
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 14:31:53 GMT
I dont know what type of solder is used by the manufacturer of those. Personally I dont like the thoughts of ANY solder in there. I don't know either, and I agree. China banned lead in solder according to the original article, but implied that whiskers (which I guess are likely to melt a little) would usually occur from the solder that they did use. They found Particles and whiskers contained mainly tin with minor amounts of copper and nickel. I don't know where Jason gets these from, but best guess is China.Here is the full text regarding the solder Tin in the centrifuged pellets likely came from the solder joints or from solder that escaped into the cartomizers during manufacture or pre-sale testing. In general, solder joints were poorly formed, often appeared to be cold joints, and had rough surfaces and associated tin whiskers. No lead was found in the solder joints, which is consistent with China's ban on the use of lead in solder [22]. Lead-free solders are difficult to use and because of their high rigidity may be more fragile than solders containing lead [22]. When subjected to temperature cycling, lead containing-solders outperformed lead-free solders [22], which may be a factor in ECs undergoing cyclic temperature changes. Lead free-solders may also form tin whiskers, as was seen in EC solder joints and among cartomizer fibers. Tin whisker growth can be accelerated by electrical current at room temperature [23], and the use of the cartomizers before packaging may have facilitated tin whisker production.
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 14:19:08 GMT
It can't get that hot otherwise it would melt Goood pooint lololol sorry robby, cross post there
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 14:14:58 GMT
giles does that solder heat up when in use? Surely not! It can't get that hot otherwise it would melt
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 13:21:42 GMT
robby,I'm not familiar with carto's, in your picture is that big blob of solder in contact with the juice?
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Post by hgvroy on Mar 28, 2013 12:15:27 GMT
I agree that it is an interesting factual study, the problem is that once the likes of the Daily Fail get hold of it they will have a bloody field day
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