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Post by Edge on Jan 9, 2015 0:55:04 GMT
Maybe at 40 I'm still naive but have seen plenty off life, more than some will ever see but still can't buy the UK government is this corrupt. Stupid sometimes, yes but they have a lot to please from all walks of life. Regulate they will, their hands are tied, enforce...we will see. I bett you both a tenner im paying no tax on nicotine in 10 years time.....! Oh well night guys Paying it and government wanting it are different things. Its not a corrupt government its just the way things are, sadly
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Post by Edge on Jan 9, 2015 0:01:01 GMT
Well, that's me ordered a set as well. First Fastech order ever. Hopefully not the beginning of the slippery slope lol Thanks to lairey for the discount code reminder as well Just need to wait patiently now ..... We all thought that
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 23:58:17 GMT
@letsavit the problem the govt has is the fiscal deficit is growing. They need to raise revenue, if they are losing tobacco revenue, and pharma aren't selling so many patches etc, they will seek to make the revenue up elsewhere, guess what the growing industry is, yes it's us! Were a piss in the ocean as far as tax is concerned. Can get 3 x 10 mls at any shop for £10 even at 20% tax its not massive, that's why I don't think it will be introduced for a few years. Wait till its hitting 40-50% smokers then do it. Everything will be in place within 2 years then within 5 were goosed. No government attacks a large section of the voting public, bit by bit first then go for the throat.
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 23:51:11 GMT
Edge is right, the government are losing money in revenue both from duty free imports of baccy and the massive upsurge of ecig use. What are they going to tax mm mm let me think! That's don't always have to tax, they can cut....start with the money wasted on the NHS stop smoking schemes, they're won't be required...! They also have not got to balance the books over night. Tax is nothing to do with raising money the government needs or balancing the books. The tax on tobacco has proved that. The argument has always been smokers cost the NHS millions, the total direct tax on tobacco would pay for 60-70% of the NHS bill. It has been argued that smokers live shorter lives therefore no state pensions but still tax went up year on year. Tax is raising money the powers that be want not what they need. Put simply. Stop the welfare state. Stop NHS. Stop state pensions. Stop free education for the over 16. This would save billions very quickly. Even if God forbid this happened do you think taxes would be reduced?
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 23:37:49 GMT
Big boys are only as powerful as thier lawyers and they can have thier shitty cig a likes as far as I'm concerned as long as the leave rest alone. Let them have them as it may well be their nemisis, pun intended . Read here yesterday 2million are vaping in the UK, smokers = about 20% of a population of around 65million I think. Do the math the UK the goverment would have noticed that tax loss already but remain quiet. They can't say tax loss because they are pushing the no smoking agenda. Reduced revenue from tobacco will never be mentioned in connection with ecigs. It will be taxed and controlled for our benefit, makes me feel all warm inside. Liquids not safe!! quick form a committee, sell a license to produce eliquid to companies, watch the money roll in. Little shops/companies making their own to sell will have to buy nicotine solution from a licensed source or apply for a license.
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 23:09:43 GMT
We will be taxed. Can't tax batteries. Can't touch mod tubes, switches, spring etc. Atties, I doubt. Special ecig mod boxes again I doubt it. Flavours is a no no. PG/VG no chance. Nicotine is the only on left, we will be taxed within 5 years at the outside. I don't think there will be any control about strengths/amounts but they will tax it. Any growing industry is allowed to get so big then they want a piece, at the moment I doubt the government gives a toss, its just a silly fad that will fade away. If big pharma and tobacco stopped bitching the government would do nothing and they could easily take over and there would be nothing we could do, they are too busy fighting each other to be effective. If the big boys got there arses in gear they could control ecigs within 12 months. Nobody cares about big hardware, they want the little cig-alikes and liquids that's where the money is.
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 22:41:58 GMT
If UK Government taxes nicotine would the tax have to paid for patches, gum etc. If so the big pharma will fight this No they'll just say tax for non medically approved nic. its not about public health, it's about money. Medical approval means nothing, too many people doing it and growing all the time. If they state nicotine not used as medicine then that can and will be contested. The government has to tax ecigs - sadly, but cannot be seen to attack it too much. First will be control of liquid, some sort of silly arse approved producer/supplier group, they will be happy for a little while and their paymasters will gain a little control. They will do it tiny bit at a time, nothing drastic they want the money which given all reports about increase in ecig use is growing all the time. Nothing else about ecigs can be touched. All this rubbish about limiting atty size yadda yadda is silly. Pharma want to control the nicotine and the big cig companies want the hardware - neither of these want to ban it, too big a cash cow now. They are too late to the party, they may cause a fuss but nothing more.
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Post by Edge on Jan 8, 2015 22:24:34 GMT
If UK Government taxes nicotine would the tax have to paid for patches, gum etc. If so the big pharma will fight this
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Post by Edge on Jan 7, 2015 18:54:15 GMT
Quick delivery, well wrapped. A pleasure, thank you
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Post by Edge on Jan 5, 2015 23:01:12 GMT
If your flying from Manchester they will ask you to open your hand luggage at security. I don't think they have a grasp of ecigs, batteries, wires and metal tubes cause concern. Once they see ecigs they send you on your way On your way as in "On Your Way, Pal" or on your way to the plane. On your way to the plane, once they see what it is they are fine.
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Post by Edge on Jan 5, 2015 22:50:35 GMT
As a teacher, albeit a peripatetic music teacher, but working full-time in both primary and secondary schools, I will not comment too much on this for fear of further inciting the natives. Suffice it to ask how many of you have done 4 hours work this evening for which you will never be paid money for? In the course of a week I probably do at least 20 hours of unpaid preparation, arranging music, writing reports and emailing and phoning my team to check all is well with their work ( I don't fall under Teachers Pay and Conditions, so am not allowed a small proportion of this as paid for in my contract). This is all 'part of the job', and 'goes with the territory'. Sometimes I wish I could have a job which ended with the strike of a clock, and which doesn't enter my thoughts until the start of the next working day. Sometimes I wish I could do something easy, where I don't have to think about everything I say and do, and have such influence over a child's development. But then I would miss out on the chance to see that spark of creativity, of understanding and fulfillment, and most of all the joy of making music 'just for the hell of it'! There is nothing more satisfying than helping a child get to grips with a new technique, finding alternative ways of explaining until the 'lightbulb' moment happens, and then standing back and listening as they bloom into rounded young musicians. That's why I work many more hours than I am paid for, and why school holidays are so welcome. People say 'the terms are too long; the children are burnt out by the end of them'. Spare a thought for the person who essentially cares for your child for 7 hours a day and then does all the relevant paperwork once that child has left for home. Don't they deserve time to recharge too? Right, coat-rack's on the left, right? Thought I showed considerable restraint there . . . That is why teachers should be applauded. We expect you to care for, entertain and educate our children.
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Post by Edge on Jan 5, 2015 22:41:38 GMT
If your flying from Manchester they will ask you to open your hand luggage at security. I don't think they have a grasp of ecigs, batteries, wires and metal tubes cause concern. Once they see ecigs they send you on your way
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Post by Edge on Jan 5, 2015 22:00:31 GMT
I had a female primary school teacher that used to live a few doors away, and quite often took me to school in her car (a novelty at the time)... but she still taught me a lesson by taking my socks down and giving me 'the ruler' for being a prat, and standing me in the corner. In grammar school, I had a teacher (actually there was a few) that used to grab you by the scruff of the neck and beat you up in the aisle. I still love them dearly for teaching me 'values' and 'respect'. The Good Old Days, teachers, police and any passing adult could knock the snot out of you, if you went home and told Mum/Dad you got another slap. Worse punishment was from elderly English teacher, 500 word essay about the inside of a table tennis ball without using the words white or empty.
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Post by Edge on Jan 5, 2015 21:31:07 GMT
Speaking as someone who was educated by teachers, I cannot thank them enough. Yes they get long holidays and what was a good pension.
They also get plenty of unpaid overtime, abusive parents, abusive kids and treated like idiots by whichever party is in power.
Where would any of us be without them? No I'm not a teacher
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Post by Edge on Jan 4, 2015 21:41:22 GMT
Happy with both. Regulated for <1 Ohm, mech for anything above.
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