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Post by gibla53 on Jul 5, 2015 0:06:43 GMT
only just seen this, a good idea gibla53  I can't do a Suggested edit on it, but will have a think about it, try and reply again tomorrow - even though it's going to be an AAE-C statement, I think it ought to reference the efvi/nna/vip statements somehow as they are cross-forum/independant organisations and we as a sub-group of vapers I think should be seen to support them within our own pov. Thats a good suggestion GunJack , will attend to immediately  |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 13:52:50 GMT
letsavit the better educated the MHRA are regarding vaping, the sooner they "WILL" realise, that vaping is nothing like smoking, and therefore how can they be classified with the `killer` tobacco products. They will also get confirmation that we vapers are normal people,not sponsored by anyone. Even more important do not `cost` the NHS any expenditure, and are helping improve the "HEALTH OF THE NATION". And we have a few 5pawns threads running that don't read too well..a subject that gets repeated, are any of them chemicals mentioned in a report....? Not against the cause, on same side here and do need to read more, just sometimes it's best to sit back and study, not ruffle feathers, provide little information and look for loop holes. Agree @letsavit , the same discussions exists on every Forum,Facebook page and the Internet .I do reckon though without some gentle persuasion the MHRA would never in a month of Sundays consider consumer involvement,letters calling for that I don't consider antagonistic or ruffling feathers. We hopefully have a part to play in their understanding and education such that they cannot interpret the proposed legislation in a vape-negative manner. I appreciate your valid concerns but not getting a say with them will not end up well imo . MHRA has strong strings pulled by Pharma co eg Pfizer, GSK(patches,gums,sprays,cancer treatment etc) who definitely do not want to see any competitors flourish and survive :- US inotherwords , left unchecked its my opinion that anything left open to interpretation eg leakproof refilling mechanisms, refillable tank sizes ..........etc the MHRA would opt for the very strictest,negative(to us) route |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 12:03:35 GMT
gibla53 I would suggest that a link to the forum would enable them to confirm that we are a serious/safety group of ex - smokers.Also an indication of our members numbers and growth of membership acceleration in the past 2 years, along with our age variation and gender of the membership. Hope the above suggestions are helpful. very helpful jeffc thanks - see the updated doc! |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 12:03:02 GMT
gibla53 I would suggest that a link to the forum would enable them to confirm that we are a serious/safety group of ex - smokers.Also an indication of our members numbers and growth of membership acceleration in the past 2 years, along with our age variation and gender of the membership. Hope the above suggestions are helpful. very helpful jeffc thanks - see the updated doc! |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 10:46:03 GMT
gibla53 I most certainly would want our thoughts and voices be heard by the MHRA. Should you offer to make this representation, I would help where ever possible. GO FOR IT. 1st stab at a statement docs.google.com/document/d/1ovI29arcL1CdFPWk4oPee9ajNN3fd29Uh8WlC3-Q2gU/edit?usp=sharing remember anyone can edit,add to this . This of course is assuming that we wish to proceed , a poll is suggested elsewhere by Greg whether a statement or not would be a good idea ......yes indeed I reckon that's a good democratic way of seeing if folks are behind this + also it might encourage extra interest in advocacy in general. |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 2:51:48 GMT
stmls Apparently the tobacco co have spent over £2 billion over the previous few years on research into different e-cigs and heat not burn products ....staggering amounts really ,but relative chicken-feed for them . Southampton is a big R+D place for Imperial so the story will undoubtedly be correct
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 1:49:27 GMT
The first few Q in the multi-choice all relate to cigarettes so for where it puts the mentions of Articles 4.up to 19 that doesn't apply to US so your answer doesn't really matter . When it gets to A20 (THE 6TH multi-choice ?) deffo say NO
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 1:12:06 GMT
 The Questions are all related to the government asking your opinion if its fair to charge, my answers varied between no or don't know/unsure but made a comment at the end in the replies box that if fees are decided to be charged it should be on the ability to pay ,you cannot compare a market trader with a multi-national and expect a similar fee . From information in market research the government have no clue whatsoever what reasonable fees should be charged so NO is probably the best answer throughout |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 1:04:34 GMT
kittyvape If you haven't completed the multi-choice section I can offer some help if you + others wish (as long as I can do a sreencap of the document)
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 0:31:06 GMT
Wow Just had a scan thru the consultation document... What would help would be if someone well versed in the document and it predecessors could script a set of vape friendly responses to the Questions asked. with a little justification for the responses selected, then us idiots could read decide if we agree and then copy and paste the 'right' answers as feedback. ?? Sorry if someone else responded earlier to this phatfil , its been shown many times that c+p responses of an identical reply are dismissed and counted just as 1 So , and I know very well its a very long detailed document + quite tedious . I suggest you just answer a few ? that apply to you ,which in all reality for most of us is about 5 or 6 If you can also read through the impact assessment and just pick out a few details that you don't think are correct then include them at some point in your answers . From memory (which is piss poor) the very last question allowed you to write about whatever you wished to write about (cue start moaning about they don't know anything whatsoever about vaping) |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 4, 2015 0:19:16 GMT
I'm really unsure when I read this ATM I don't think they can tell an Istick from a iPhone.... No mention of existing e-juice sales, PG nicotine, regulated mods AKA 2nd generation aren't they? Is this regulation of new, regulating new is easy, regulated a existing market is not, is shouting hey this is what we buy and use that's affective make sure you pick this up too a good idea? Kind of feel dammed if I don't, dammed if I do..... Reading through the consultation document ,accompanying impact assessment etc totally agree they haven't a feckin clue in so many areas ,but that is the whole point of getting consumer involvement with the government agencies like MHRA ,DOH etc ,they rely on market assessment information from totally flawed inaccurate sources (they used Nielsen as eg for some sales data even though they readily admit their limitation is that they can only track large tobacco co owned brands- so unable to follow independents (tanks etc), the consultation makes 1 obvious howler when it states 'cigalikes' represent 60% of the market The MHRA has got form for its stance on trying to introduce meds regs along with very unhelpful comments from the aptly titled Mr Meane (spokesperson at that time) So without me waffling further, I believe the more noise we can make to get a voice in there the better, it may eventually require us to also badger our MP about this (again ) but getting a voice in these places to get some genuine information in there is essential . After all we are the experts not some bloody civil servants who know zilch and even if there has been a change in attitude it needs genuine consumer knowledge represented in any committee meetings or discussions |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 3, 2015 23:56:26 GMT
Agreed, prr its not mentioned in the UK Consultation ,the Welsh Govt can act under its devolved powers to introduce legislation beyond what the rest of the UK has proposed |
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Post by gibla53 on Jul 3, 2015 23:37:08 GMT
Dave Kitson writes an excellent explanatory/inspirational blog here wp.thehappyvaper.com/?p=874 re the Welsh petition + fundraising regarding the ? about phone # or indeed e-mail addys that were asked ....these are irrelevant - just put any old made up crap there, its just the pay-pal details that are the important + accurate detail reqd. So you can preserve your privacy (if not your fiver :-) ) Consider what the purpose of the fundraising is for .......its to help to gather signatures that 125k Welsh Vapers,2.6 million UK Vapers have managed to contribute just 2400 or so ...... If the daft idiotic laws pass in Wales ,you can be damned sure that others will swiftly follow on elsewhere |
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I can't do a Suggested edit on it, but will have a think about it, try and reply again tomorrow - even though it's going to be an AAE-C statement, I think it ought to reference the efvi/nna/vip statements somehow as they are cross-forum/independant organisations and we as a sub-group of vapers I think should be seen to support them within our own pov.
