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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 14, 2016 14:15:36 GMT
Yes, as expected they are after the money, the tax loss needs to be made up somewhere. The mods are tbh are more difficult to regulate or manage as its just that a mod, but the device for delivering the "tax", sorry the juice can be managed and they can also claim health risks and nicotine control. We're facing the very real prospect of going from well over a thousand juice makers producing perhaps five thousand individual juices lines down to maybe a dozen large juice houses producing maybe 250 juices, all within the next 15 months. Potential taxation just ain't a concern right now. I think you missed my point. The loss of or massive reduction in juices will inevitably make the following happen IMHO: New vapers will go back to smoking. Potential vapers will stay smoking. Money made for the testing will bolster the coffers Its not all about short term incomes I have no doubt in the loss of juices. I have said for a long time since the first inceptions of the TPD, that this was never ever about health, but wealth and not ours. The governments around the world did not see the potential of ecigs. They were a gimmick, faf and probably going to fade away. OOOPs did they get that wrong. But it took them quite a while to really catch on and by the time they did, the vaping community was growing faster than anyone could have expected. So as said they now have a potential blackhole that is getting bigger and bigger. |
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 13, 2016 20:16:55 GMT
WELL I AM SHOCKED. No one mentioned torchy  |
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 13, 2016 15:36:17 GMT
I must agree that Torchy is by far the most reliable. He test them all to make sure they meet the standards. Here is the price list and paypal emails. ukvapers.org/Thread-Torchy-battery-pricesAlways delivers. |
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 13, 2016 14:29:33 GMT
Yes, as expected they are after the money, the tax loss needs to be made up somewhere. The mods are tbh are more difficult to regulate or manage as its just that a mod, but the device for delivering the "tax", sorry the juice can be managed and they can also claim health risks and nicotine control.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 12, 2016 16:28:35 GMT
Somebody bloody steal them then lol LOL done it and Payment sent |
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 12, 2016 16:28:01 GMT
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 9, 2016 2:57:26 GMT
Well Pedro, these are not the final proposals and nearly ALL this applies to liquid sales and also flavourings. It will be published in about 4 - 6 weeks after the 3 weeks of discussions.
I also think that Big P and T will be looking at the NHS to prop up any losses and will be pushing ecigs (they make of course) as a new and improved form of NRT. We know it works, but they are not making enough money.
I also agree that the advertising was a little on the quiet side, we have to wait and see.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 22:17:30 GMT
Fair do's
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 20:04:22 GMT
Yes it was worth sharing Catface26 and thanks for doing so.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 19:44:38 GMT
Well it wont bother me as I wont be buying one anyway, Not everyone will see his videos or wait for 59m for him to even mention it, if its of vital importance.
I am not doubting his comments.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 19:31:56 GMT
He should have named the vendor.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 18:23:10 GMT
But it seems to me you are forgetting the reasoning behind the TPD. Its to try and close the loop hole that has taken way the vast sums of lost tax revenue from the smokers. Remember that big T need new smokers every year to maintain profits. IF we as vapers are seen to be the way to go, new smokers will be happy to try the vaping scene as opposed to the smoking scene. Also remember the taxman claims the tax from smoking in advance, so I can hear the conversations behind closed doors. Taxman, can we have our tax now please for next year. Big T, yeah of course, but you know its going to be a lot less this year and will continue to decline. Taxman Why? Big T, these bloody ecigs have taken away large numbers of smokers, nearly 2.5 million and on the rise. Big T, oh yeah you know if thye stop smoking they will live longer and we will need more NHS resoures and more care homes and of course you will need to pay them a pension for longer. Taxman, shit, better stop this now. Big T, How? Taxman, dont worry we have a plan and we will look squeaky clean as well. All: See you next year mate |
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 8, 2016 16:56:44 GMT
Just has a message from a vendor who says that YES all nic variations will need to be tested and paid for. Not sure yet on if its a VAT full of the stuff, if so I can see some making huge vats of juice and paying for one test, but if nic levels are to be tested then that adds another layer to the costs.
The end user will of course pay for it, but I think that many small juice makers may struggle to offer the ranges they do.
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