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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 19:55:46 GMT
That's a good deal Adam78! No can do unfortunately. Well not without a bit of duckin&divin, which I'm doing too much of already! haha! Methinks a bit of fun playing with soldering & drilling sounds more exciting anyway though.. but ayee, no.10, lush! and no.1! The centre pin does look like it should be held in place fine when there's a battery in place.. it also looks like a very close fit to the +ve pin, as in it's really hard to tell whether it's encroaching onto the -ve bit or not.. |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 19:51:39 GMT
@johanino, yep it's all good honey, I still really appreciate the mod  and hey all this has definitely taught me some stuff Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get it sorted x |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 19:49:53 GMT
Greg, no I've only got two atty's that fit a 510 connection, & both have very close +ve &-ve like the aerotank.. you could be right.. is it worth shaving down a bit off the sides of the screw-shape head to make it smaller & maybe get a better connection with the +ve pin? Adam78, yep that didn't occur to me at all, it can't have vented cos nothing came out of the venting holes on the mod tubes, only out of the drip tip. So yep, must have been the coil/wick burning out. Battery B looks totally fine, I've left it in the charger along with A, still no lights but I'll test them in a bit to see the voltage. It sounds like it's quite possible that I've killed them with just a wee short, if they're not protected which they're not, and I wasn't using any sort of fuse device in the mod. Well, I could always post it down to the Midlands haha  lol, it's all good. Guess maybe if I get any life out of the batteries then I'll try supergluing the pin in place, & maybe shaving off a bit all round it. If not then I think I'll just have a play with my drill & some components, see if I can make something that doesn't short out on me!
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 19:12:22 GMT
Aye Greg, that's what I'm thinking. Any idea how I could rectify this? Maybe try & find an o-ring which is the right size & try squeeze it in with the centre pin so it stays put? Although if both batteries are now RIP then not much point! |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 19:07:51 GMT
haha, good, I'm glad someone's getting something from it!! educational indeed, I'm actually thinking now it seems to be so simple (the mech mod) that maybe I'll just make my own.. if I make it then I can be sure there's no shorts & all the bits that need to be insulated are btw, an hour & a half.. aye right!! been at this since 11am cheers pal |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 18:42:24 GMT
Yo Adam, cheers Well the centre pin of the aerotank is fine, nice & central.. Got the continuity test working (although even touching the probes together gives pretty inconsistent beep - mostly it's there but sometimes not!), but definitely no beep when touching red to the pin which would touch the tank pin, & black to the tube (no battery in, should I have?) OK I'll try again with battery in there (oops!)... Nope. no beep at all with batt in & everything connected up nicely. D'oh!!! Aye I got the Nitecore, I'm worried about the battery tho, I had two, battery A & batt B both charged fine before I used them (left them in to trickle charge for a good while after they'd finished charging as well). Then I put batt A in the mod & started trying to make it work, which it wasn't.. didn't do anything at all. A good while later I checked the voltage of that one & it wasn't reading anything half the time, but with patience I got a very low reading (can't remember now 0.4V or something?) whereas B gave me 4.18V. So maybe batt A is a dud? but then how did it charge in the first place? Then put B into the mod & put the tank on, tried the button & I think it shorted & the battery vented possibly, cos something came out the drip tip which looked a bit like vape but tasted disgusting.. and any subsequent button pushes since then nothing has happened at all. Batt B was quite warm (not burning hot) just after the eruption, took it out immediately in case it was venting and/or about to catch fire! So maybe I've killed batt B?! I'll check the voltage readings for both.. A = 0.25V; B = zero. In the charger, neither shows any sign of life (no led's light up)... (ah, the good old trotting round in circles! love it!  ) In which case possibly nothing will be happening whether I discover a short or not... |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 17:54:37 GMT
I needed to take it apart to clean it, but the centre pin is just loose anyway, if it's not held in place by the force of having the battery holding it in (e.g. if there is no battery in there) it just falls out it's wee recess & jumps about inside the tubes. Is that maybe why it is shorting - if it is loose like that? The pin has a black ring round it which I assume insulates it & therefore protects the body from conducting, but there doesn't look to be any problem with this insulating bit, it's not broken/cracked or anything?
Aye it is just a big lump of brass, I don't know how on earth I've managed to kill one of my precious batteries already!!! There's no rubber ring in with the centre pin, should there be dya think? I wouldn't have thought one could fit; the black ring has a snug fit with the hole in the brass it fits in, although not snug enough to keep it sitting there lol!
I didn't get very far with testing it for shorts, the first thing I was going to do was test the resistance of the body, as Giles suggested, but I couldn't get the meter to read anything apart from 1, and I tried all the different resistance settings from 200? - 2M?. It said 1 when the probes were touching +ve pin & the side of the tube, but it also said 1 when the probes were apart in mid-air!! So in terms of finding where the short circuit is, I haven't a clue.
The fact the pin is loose & jumps about (although not when there's a batt in there) would suggest maybe it's that??? But if it is that then what can I do to cure it? It looks fine, like if there is a batt in then I can't see how any of the metal part of the pin could touch anything apart from the battery & the atomiser pin!
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 14:20:17 GMT
yep DiscoDes !! good thinking tho.. you must know I'm blonde haha! how exactly would I test to find the short? just try the negative probe on different bits whilst keeping the positive on the centre pin that's meant to join the atomiser? and what would a short look like on the meter? still set to 20V? I'm guessing I need to test it with my one remaining battery in.. I really don't want to break that one too! Guess I should've got protected ones eh!! totally gutted. please tell me where to go if this is all getting a bit too ridiculous & I'm far too unknowledgable to be playing with this! |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 14:11:09 GMT
my god! I think that's me f'd a battery already!! that was an very short life for £7!!! oh no  the one with the low voltage reading, it's not even registering in the charger now, which is a 'smart' one & if a battery was just full would still register it, but nothing. perhaps I don't want to blow the other one too! If anyone got any suggestions for finding the short-circuit bit please help, but I'm worried that my mod days might be over before they've started, can't afford another one!! |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 14:05:36 GMT
well the batteries aren't protected, they're IMR. so you mean you think the voltage is low on one because I shorted it by trying the wrong way round? cool I'll try charging it again. but with the battery that was fine that's in the mod, there wasn't really any specific area of heat it was really all over the whole tube & now Iv'e removed the battery it's just the whole battery that is warm, maybe that's normal..? but certainly the puff of strange tasting vape & nothing since, is not normal. So you think something's shorting... any idea what might cause a short in this kind of set-up? maybe this is just a lost cause for me, it's not really fair of me to be asking every little thing like this, I've obviously got a problematic mod & also I've obviously not got a clue!!! sorry! But thanks markm, very much appreciate you helping me! |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 13:49:43 GMT
ahha.. well with the batt that was reading 4.17V in the mod, testing as Mark suggested I've now got a reading the same, so will try with the atty.. Hmmm?! (again! going round in circles here!!) So the atty produced something like vape but it tasted disgusting, that was first button-push, and any button-push since then does nothing. But the battery feels considerably warm... Tell me I'm not about to blow it up or something!!!
for info the aerotank was working perfectly on a different setup..
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 13:44:39 GMT
hmmm? tested the two batteries, just by themselves with nothing else attached. one read 4.17V (the one I've not tried putting into the mod) and the other that been using while messing about with the mod, reads 0.42V? That doesn't sound right, they're both exactly the same, brand new, been charged exactly the same for same time, only difference is that the low-reading one has been in the mod while I've been trying to get it to work.. surely that shouldn't affect it that much?? Have I got a dud?
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 13:28:12 GMT
Yep, I've tried the firing switch at different heights, it definitely is connecting with the battery physically, and so is the atty end connecting with both the battery and the atomiser pin. **** knows!! I thought there wasn't really any way that a mech mod could fail to work, as there's nothing to break!! Think I'll try brass cleaner on all the connections, but not entirely convinced that much is going to happen, it's not like it's a crap connection, there's NO voltage. I'll also try the second battery I have in case I've got a dud, but again I sincerely doubt that cos they both read fine in the charger & they are new from Torchy. This is strange!! All ideas are appreciated, thanks guys!  |
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Post by purkle on Feb 11, 2014 13:22:38 GMT
Thanks markm, very helpful. Good to know the switch does lock, nice one! Sorry, I feel so stupid!! So I connected up like you said, black -ve probe just to the outside of the mod tube aye? with the battery inside? Did that, & red to just the positive pin, no voltage reading (on the 'up to 20V' setting on the meter). So the lack of connection must be inside.. although I can't really see how as it feels like it is, I'll keep playing... aarrgh!! |
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and hey all this has definitely taught me some stuff 
lol, it's all good. Guess maybe if I get any life out of the batteries then I'll try supergluing the pin in place, & maybe shaving off a bit all round it. If not then I think I'll just have a play with my drill & some components, see if I can make something that doesn't short out on me! 
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the one with the low voltage reading, it's not even registering in the charger now, which is a 'smart' one & if a battery was just full would still register it, but nothing. perhaps I don't want to blow the other one too!