imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 19, 2015 0:42:35 GMT
Did anyone notice a kind of a memory lost on the clone chip? Or glitch? Suddenly today my Rose v2 set on .11 ohm started to produce a much less vaper. Watching the screen shows 19w 450F as it should be, but when pushing the button the watts don't go over 9.5w and its far from reaching TP mode. I changed the tank with .22ohm Aerotank mega - same thing happened. Only Robby's "hard reset" done the job. Also after "hard reset" the chip needs 10-15sec to realize that in needs to go in temperature mode. This can burn any nickel wire in second if it is set to 30-40w. The clone chip is OK but its far from the DNA40. My experience so far has been that all "strange" behaviour has been associated with dodgy connections, whether the 510 or screw terminals in the atty. I've found the Kangxin VF to be a solid and consistent device, if I do my job. I received a Smocare-based Hana DNA40 clone after the initial learning curve with the VF clone and I have not had an issue but I'm sure I would have had the same experience I did with the VF if it had arrived first.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 17, 2015 21:57:39 GMT
On another note - I put a 0.23? ø3mm 30ga standard coil build in a Kanger Subtank (full size) RBA last night. I was worried the small-ish juice channels wouldn't be enough to keep up with the wicking requirements but I was surprised to find that it hit 390°F and just stuck there for repeated 6-7 second draws. The RBA section has a tighter draw than the pre-build coil heads so the draw was longer than I expected. Lots of vapour and good taste.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 17, 2015 21:50:50 GMT
When I was at school Heat = Power x Time, (it was along time ago and only a Comprehensive) but I doubt it's changed. Evolve have always stated that watts (power) = vapour so nothing different there either. That what has confused YiHi (or them confusing customers) with their temp limiting board SX350J Mini they keep using Joule in the spec for temperature when it is watts per second or heat which is not temperature. Joule maybe useful for measuring battery capacity, but it's like looking at your flue gauge in you car to see how fast you are going. On another forum a number of people have been waxing lyrical about the SX350J and temperature control but I have been unable to get them to understand that from the information provided by YiHi the temperature control aspect doesn't make sense. Either their statements are not translating well or their understanding of temperature control is flawed. I'm not saying the SX350J won't have temperature control but setting the temperature limit in Joules rings alarm bells for me. This conflicts with another statement indicating that it will use nickel coils.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 16, 2015 23:12:47 GMT
It was interesting reading people's experiences. As for my experience, I'm using the TC as TP, that is as a way to avoid burnt cotton and dry hits, but I never really get to the point of TP. My observations are that during a 4-5 second draw on a Lemo the temperature never goes above 400°F @ 20W and on a single coil Magma it sits around 380-390°F for as long as I can inhale @ 25W. Both of these situations give a satisfying vape with plenty of vapour. It's a tiny bit cooler than before I used TC but I'm happy with the trade-off to avoid dry hits. I intend to dual-coil a Plume Veil shortly and see how that goes. I expect much better wicking and therefore the ability to run it harder for longer.
All in all the experience has been good. It was certainly a learning experience and not without trials and tribulations, working with nickel coils being one and wicking issues being the other.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 16, 2015 3:06:54 GMT
I notice this thread has been quiet for days now. Is it because everyone has their DNA40 clone and is satisfied, or are people finding that TC is not living up to the hype?
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 12, 2015 23:34:01 GMT
For those that are interested:
In addition to buying a DNA40 VF clone from 3FVape I also ordered a Hana Modz DNA40 clone a few days later. I asked if the Hana used the same board as the VF clone and was told it used a different board, a Smocare board. On power-up the display shows "Smocare" rather than "KX-40D" but I have not been able to find a difference in the operation after a week's use (including showing the "limited" watts if you let go of the fire button when TC is active and watts are being displayed). Functionally they appear to work identically, although it's hard to check details on the display because I can't read the display as well on the Hana when vaping.
Quality wise it's a good clone but the buttons are spongy rather than clicky, probably the most annoying aspect for me. They still click but the feeling is rubbery getting to the point where they click. Also, the charge indicator LED is in a strange place, being underneath the micro-USB connection. The wiring looks neat enough and it isn't full of hot glue like some.
I have used this with a Magma, basically vaping from fully saturated to barely any vapour being produced with no taste of burned cotton and still vapable (is that a word?). On opening it up I found the cotton to be white and dry, almost bleached. Looking at the cotton where it goes through the coil there was a small light brown mark under the top of one wrap only. Seeing as the DNA40 TC uses average temperature I'm assuming this was a hot spot on the coil. I was using what has become my go-to coil, 30ga Ø3mm twisted nickel with standard spacing, coming out at 0.11? after the refinement period (initially 0.12?).
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 11, 2015 23:58:22 GMT
Been playing around with the DNA40 and this seems to be a pretty good tool for testing coil/wick performance. 1. Set the temp to max 2. Set the watts to what you would expect for your coil/wick/astty setup. Fine tune it a bit in use. 3. Press the fire button and observe the temp display. Note the average temp. 4. Try a different setup, maybe different wick material, different coil design (same resistance). 5. Press the fire button and compare with the first one. Lower temp should mean better wicking. This is just an embryo of an idea, I am sure there are many ways it could be improved on and experimented with. Without knowing about this thread I pretty much did this during my DNA40 (clone) learning phase. I didn't set the temperature to max but rather 470°F and played around with wicking and watts to get a consistent ~390°F for the duration of repeated draws. If the temperature continues to rise then the wicking wasn't good enough for the watts. It was interesting how much better the wicking was on a Magma versus a Lemo with the same 30ga ø3mm twisted nickel coil at about 0.12?.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 11, 2015 1:27:16 GMT
For you guys who bought it from 3Fvape how was it shipped? as in with SingPost or China Airmail? My VF came via China Post Registered Airmail. It took two weeks from China to Australia.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 11, 2015 1:11:48 GMT
So your coils drop to a 1/10 of their resistance after pinching them? No you don't get a perfect short across the whole coil, but you can see the wraps that short are a lot darker when hot. TBH I have not looked at the R as they are hot so would be different and just want to get it sorted. I had a twisted 0.17 kanthal one go so that one strand was orange and the other was only orange half way along the coil, should have taken a photo. Yeah, I suspect few people get more than one shorted coil unless they are really trying. If you heat up the coil to an orange glow before pinching then the chances are virtually non-existent.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 11, 2015 0:21:33 GMT
Do a test, make a coil and pinch half of it....look at the cotton after a few tanks. Dual coil atty? good idea though. If you ever want to force a micro coil to short heat it while squeezing with ceramic tip tweezers, thin wire will short easier. Repeated pulsing normally oxidises it enough to stop the shorting, but just strumming it is easier. So your coils drop to a 1/10 of their resistance after pinching them?
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 10, 2015 23:33:16 GMT
My experience with micro versus standard coils is that I don't see a significant different in the resistance, unless there is an obvious short between the individual wraps.
The way I understand it micro coil wraps are not actually touching but rather there are very small gaps between them. They heat up faster due to their proximity to each other. When you pinch a coil together the coils spring back slightly, leaving a vary small gap. Combine that with the oxidation that forms on the surface of the coil and it would be hard to short the coils to each other unless they were under pressure. If the coils were shorted I would expect to see some portions of the coil hotter than others, unless every single coil was shorted along its entire length and it was acting like a cylinder.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 10, 2015 22:48:24 GMT
Well from my point of view, as someone who doesn`t have the original, it`s great, well made, does exactly what it says it will do and does it well -V-Another +1 for robby. Nickel builds have been a learning curve but I think I have the hang of it now. One thing I would mention, and I'm not sure if this is the case with the genuine DNA40, is that the pre-heat seems to be a bit slow if it has been sitting idle a while (coil is at room temperature). I notice it takes a second, maybe 1.5 seconds for the coil to get up to ~390°F. Second and subsequent vapes are pretty much immediate. From what I understand the DNA40 hits the coil with a pre-heat voltage for 1 second or until the coil is 100°F below the set temperature, whichever happens first. I'm not sure if this is happening or not as I don't have any equipment to test it.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 10, 2015 3:04:34 GMT
The DNA40 is a great tool for getting wicks spot on and learning about them Totally agree, I have had my frustrations the with DNA40 but in hindsight all its done is to force me to learn. +1. I've learned more about wicking capacity over the last couple of days than I ever would have learned without the additional information given by the DNA40.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 9, 2015 23:38:16 GMT
VapingBad - Cool. Can you point me to the Nickel build thread? I'm searching/looking but not finding it. Never mind, I found it. Thanks anyway.
|
|
imho
New Member
Joined:February 2015
Posts: 21
Location:
Likes: 14
Recent Posts
Last Online Mar 12, 2015 1:40:15 GMT
|
Post by imho on Feb 9, 2015 23:35:47 GMT
VapingBad - Cool. Can you point me to the Nickel build thread? I'm searching/looking but not finding it.
|
|