question for all the regulated mod users (from facebook)

[markus]

Just thought i'd pop this on here to get views from other people, someone posted the question on a group on facebook.
As you can tell its been posted by someone thats not too keen on regulated mods..lol


here is a question for all the regulated mod users, the newer regulated mods are classed as disposable mods (designed to brake after the manufacture warranty and in some cases before smok im looking at you), now they're getting more expensive, at what price point will you stop buying them,just when tpd finally hits everyone this year, prices are gonna rise at least 20-50% so the new box mods will hit £100+ just for the box without tank and batteries, remember the snow wolf was £135 when it came out, let's face it, they're not made like they were, so im asking you the question, what will you do if your mod brakes after may? and the prices have reached £200 for a full kit ?


One thing that confuses me is the "disposable" comment !.....IMO everything from china has & still is disposable, infact 95% of what we use & buy today is also disposable.....As far as I can tell nothing has changed yet, people are still buying mods from B&M in the UK that break after a few months & people have to chuck them & buy new ones, I cant see how they dont have 1yr gaurantee (I thought that was the law for electrical products in the UK ?)
Apart from its real intention of taxing something & providing revenue for the governments youd think TPD would help improve the quality of these products?

There also seems to be some weird kind of mentality that theres some huge difference between people that use regulated mods & people who use mech mods ?...like if you use regulated then you obviously have no clue about building coils & about vaping safety because its something you dont really need to know when using a regulated mod, which just isnt true.
Its a bit like the devide thats growing between people who see vaping as a safer option to get nicotine & quit the stinkies & people who seem to think its just a device for blowing clouds.....what a strange world we live in.

[charliehorse]

I didn't realise that mods - regulated or mechs - were included in the TPD unless it was something like the e-grip or AIO that have built in tanks ?

[Perpetua]

Jan 5, 2017 15:07:37 GMT charliehorse said:

I didn't realise that mods - regulated or mechs - were included in the TPD unless it was something like the e-grip or AIO that have built in tanks ?

They're not . . . . you're quite correct charliehorse, unless there's an integral tank over 2ml in capacity I'd imagine like you.

Some Facebook users are like other areas of the vaping community online or otherwise, either completely uninformed about the TPD and the changes it will bring to our habit, or have interpreted what little they've read or heard wrongly.

www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-consumer-products

www.vapemate.co.uk/getting-started/tpd.html

www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2016/01/tpd-e-cigs-retailers.html

www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/20/the_vaping_crackdown_starts_today_this_is_what_you_need_to_know/

ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_1011.pdf

[sydsut]

Firstly, SMOK's mods are now very reliable IMO, secondly I don't notice prices rising but indeed rapidly dropping given the power and sophistication available, you only have to look at the prices for DNA board mods recently. Thirdly he mentions hefty prices that I'm not aware of except for mods with exotic finishes etc. And yes the TPD concerns itself mostly with nicotine, e-liquid containing nicotine and tanks so I don't get where he's coming from. And lastly the TPD, as far as I'm aware doesn't concern itself with taxation for now.

[markus]

lol...I never even thought of that

Although I did think because it was "Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016" I thought it meant anything that was related was included.

[striker42]

markus, I've spotted this debate in various quarters and quite frankly find the subject and the heated arguments that take place over it complete and utter bullshit. As a user of regulated mods, what I'm about to say is solely my opinion and should not be taken as gospel and is in no way intended to upset any user of any device regulated or otherwise. I use regulated devices for a few reasons. Firstly, and most importantly my vape is regulated for the duration of the life of the battery, the vape is regular and doesn't drop off as the batteries drain. I also use USB charging, as with my job, I can charge via the In cab charging port if I need to. The choice of a USB charging facility is far greater for regulated mods than unregulated. I have enough gear to lug about at work, so the need not to carry spare batteries is a positive for me. Which then leads to another, in my opinion, load of garbage (unless it's a series battery configuration) argument that you shouldn't charge via USB, always use an external charger. I've been charging predominantly by USB for over three years, I still have my hands, my face and my house. There is no need for mech users to vilify regulated mod users or vice versa. There is a place for all these devices in the vaping world, for me it comes down to what suits the user and their lifestyle. As for the price of devices rising due to the TPD, I wouldn't think so or does someone know something the rest of us don't ?

[Bob]

I agree with most of the comments above, about 2 years ago SMOK did have a poor reputation but in the last year or so, they have sorted things out and now make some very decent regulated mods, the only ones I have had problems with have been made outside China and most of those have been down to juice leaking and getting into the circuitry and damaging the boards, or my latest failure which was a UK made mod whereby the positive lead had become detached from the 510 (poor soldering)

- I think that most problems that OTHER people have are more likely to be down to misuse or careless behaviour, you only have to sit in a B&M and watch some of the idiots that come in with "broken mods"

As for charging via USB - I only ever charge LiPos or single cell batteries through the USB - preferring to charge any multiple battery mod using a dedicated Lithium battery charger and that is always what I recommend, (I do have one LiPo squonker that also needs an external charger).

[Get Off My Cloud]

Like others i've found if anything the trend for mod prices has fallen and pretty dramatically too as vaping has become more popular and mainstream.
Higher numbers of sales makes cost production per unit lower, the more units you sell the more units you have to make and the more units you make means lower production costs per unit.
There's also more competition than there used to be so that also drives manufacturers to compete on pricing.

[VapingBad]

I agree with all the replies, but just to add that some mods do have year warranties that are honoured. A large part of the problem of warranties from Far East manufactures is the cost of shipping a single device back there is often prohibitive so they have never bothered to set up to receive them. Things are changing some of the more forward thinking manufactures are setting up American and European service centres or contracting these out. Also we tend to go for the cheapest deal from suppliers that have questionable customer service and most of us knew this when we ordered so think of them as disposable, that is our choice we bought by price over service.

Cheap devices with hard wired batteries will always be disposable because batteries ware out, iSticks & Coolfires are today's eGos as the cost of getting a battery and the labour for someone to solder it in is not worth it, whereas with more expensive board and box it is. The only way this could change is if vape shops did a battery replacement service for specific popular mods, for the end user the P&P to a battery for you iStick is about ten time the cost of the battery.

[charliehorse]

Jan 5, 2017 15:26:36 GMT Perpetua said:

Jan 5, 2017 15:07:37 GMT charliehorse said:

I didn't realise that mods - regulated or mechs - were included in the TPD unless it was something like the e-grip or AIO that have built in tanks ?

They're not . . . . you're quite correct charliehorse , unless there's an integral tank over 2ml in capacity I'd imagine like you.

Some Facebook users are like other areas of the vaping community online or otherwise, either completely uninformed about the TPD and the changes it will bring to our habit, or have interpreted what little they've read or heard wrongly.

I was pretty sure but I've been wrong before

On the subject of Are mods considered disposable - I certainly don't expect them to be.

I agree that a mod with a built in battery has a finite life span dictated by the battery - number of charge cycles, quality of the cell in the first place, temperature extremes and such - but unless you abuse the mod by dropping it on a hard surface or dunk it in some water etc. then I expect it to last a decent amount of time no question.

For example I have a 30W I-stick that's almost two years old and only starting to lack the vape time it once had (though its not used every day it is used regularly)

I have other mods well over a year old that still work fine and are used and abused on a daily basis.

Your bound to get the odd 'Friday built' one and some companies put out better stuff than others, but in general the stuff available is pretty well made, especially when you consider how cheap some of it is.

The paint finish on some mods though ..... well that doesn't make them disposable I suppose

[decoy]

half the prob is they are making them for a set price in huge quantity's yer there are going to be qc slipups and in some cases whilst they learn how to make them some stuff that is complete crap
the coating is the same thing they only just started making mods that are pretty and out last the finish so hopefully they will learn

the other half of the prob is us the user
ill run my mod at max all day
ill put the tank on soo tight that its welded to the 510
ill sick it in my pocket with keys an change
ill bounce if off the floor cause its fun
ill use un married batts
ill put custom firmware on it
ill soak it in juice when a tank leaks

you know what I do when the mod fails I blame the mod

I do think good mods are getting cheaper

[DaveJ]

Oh, dear....

Whoever posted that to FarceBook certainly built up a head of steam, huh?

I for one, am in with the Regulated crowd. I've never used an unregulated mod. I use a selection of low to mid range "commercial mass market" mods that are, on reflection, all Chinese built. I have mods with built in batteries and also those with removable 18650 cells.

I have yet to have a mod fail prematurely. Even some of my oldie Vamos and such are still running now as originally designed - although many now are with new owners. I dispute the claim that many modern mods fail prematurely.

Much of my thoughts echo those already said here:

Jan 5, 2017 16:02:27 GMT striker42 said:

markus , I've spotted this debate in various quarters and quite frankly find the subject and the heated arguments that take place over it complete and utter bullshit.
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I use regulated devices for a few reasons. Firstly, and most importantly my vape is regulated for the duration of the life of the battery, the vape is regular and doesn't drop off as the batteries drain. I also use USB charging, as with my job, I can charge via the In cab charging port if I need to. The choice of a USB charging facility is far greater for regulated mods than unregulated.

Amen.
Iffn my vape is "going off" in some way, I know it's because of something other than the mod - likely gummed up wick or coil. A regulated mod simply removes one possible source of issue for my vape. And just how convenient is USB charging? USB charging leads are everywhere in this modern Tablet/Phone/Laptop world.

Jan 5, 2017 16:02:27 GMT striker42 said:

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... Which then leads to another, in my opinion, load of garbage (unless it's a series battery configuration) argument that you shouldn't charge via USB, always use an external charger. I've been charging predominantly by USB for over three years, I still have my hands, my face and my house.

Amen again.

I find USB charging more convenient and user friendly. Of course, for mods with built in batteries it's the only option. But for single cell mods or those with the cells in parallel - I have NO RESERVATIONS in using USB charging. Hell - many other applications regularly use unmatched batteries in parallel without issue and have done so for many years. For example, many 4 wheel drive SUVs and trucks run multi batteries in parallel - and there's far more amp/hour/power and hence danger if things go wrong in big car/truck batteries than with 18650s. Series wiring - ah, well, that's another story - and listen to the experts about charging those.

Jan 5, 2017 16:02:27 GMT striker42 said:

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There is no need for mech users to vilify regulated mod users or vice versa. There is a place for all these devices in the vaping world, for me it comes down to what suits the user and their lifestyle. ....

Yep, agree completely. Run a mech/unregulated if you want to - but leave me to run with my regulated gizmos that I'm very happy with. Isn't the real issue that we are both off the smokes?

It seems to me iffn you were to substitute religion/race/whatever words in place of the Regulated/Unregulated words in the original statement you'd still have something that is said by some around the traps.  Bigots are everywhere.

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All that said, I'd agree that in some post-vapocalypse time where one may not be able to obtain replacement/new regulated devices, pure mech style unregulated mods could be cobbled together from parts available in the local plumbing/hardware stores....  or, even, perhaps, by modifying torches.   *grin*

[Deleted]

Don't you think regulated mods are getting more complicated in technology? Touch screens, colour display, more menus etc. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't make a phone call on one soon ! Obviously the more sophisticated the electronics the more that can go wrong. I use both but appreciate the simplicity and the virtual immortality of the mech mod. You only have to change a spring or a contact

[DaveJ]

Jan 6, 2017 8:52:29 GMT @tomo said:

Don't you think regulated mods are getting more complicated in technology? Touch screens, colour display, more menus etc.

Yes, there is that. More so with the "leading edge" big ticket models ... but, I guess, in time, all those extra fancy things will filter down and be included in the more mainstream "everyday" models. Just like Temp Control, where initially it was only on a few high dollar models, now it seems to be available on most and at very affordable prices. Yep - more stuff is more that can go wrong.

[striker42]

Regulated mods are only as complicated as you wish them to be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . for now. Most models now come with TC, the long running problem I can see with that facility, is a difference from manufacturer to manufacturer and mod to mod. It would appear that different models interpret TC in a different manner and there is no uniformity to how it works, then again I could be talking bollocks. Not being into TC means that it is not a must have in my decision when I'm buying a mod. I have to agree with DaveJ on the other extras, shortly all mods will come with touch/colour screens and any other gimmicks they stumble across. I have a Minikin V2 with a touch screen and it works well, but it's longevity has still to be proven as I've only had it six weeks.