Cartomiser Help Required - 510,808 etc ...

[izzznet]

Thanks Chrissie.

Just read the thread you pointed to.

I agree, the customer service from JAC Vapour has been faultless. It's interesting that Andy at JAC Vapour is bucking the 510 trend. I can see that backfiring in the long run.

I'll contact him and see if he can shed any light on VGO2 to 510 adapters.

Also good to know that the Echo is pretty much the same as the VGO2. It certainly looked pretty identical.

Thanks again Chrissie. Things are becoming much clearer.

I.

[izzznet]

Just heard from Andy @ JAC Vapour re. adapters:

Our carts do require a higher voltage to perform at their best, all our Vgo/KR808D-1 stuff performs at 3.7-4.2v whereas the 510 stuff is all 3v under load despite being listed at 3.7v.

We have currently not been able to track down a manufacturer of the adapters for the other way [VGO > 510], I have not found 1 company that even sells them UK or US, but we are looking.

Which backs up what Chrissie and others have been saying. i.e. there currently is no solution. But it looks like one is being sought.

I.

[Chrissie]

I'm hoping that others will comment on this statement from Andy "all our Vgo/KR808D-1 stuff performs at 3.7-4.2v whereas the 510 stuff is all 3v under load despite being listed at 3.7v." As I don't believe it is true.

I'm also not too sure how much Andy will want to find a solution as he doesn't sell any 510 accessories & would therefore lose business if he sold VGO-510 adapters.

[izzznet]

Yes, I wondered about that voltage claim, that's why I posted it (as it's not directly related to the 510/808 topic).

The thing about adapters though works both ways; people who are 510 users would be able to try the VGO batteries and may like them. So it opens up the 510 market to JAC Vapour's "hardware" (and latterly JAC Vapour's carts - as once you have an 808 battery ....).

Personally I've been very impressed with his VGO2 auto battery (the warranty is something like 80 days ???) - and I can't find an equivalent auto battery among the 510s (everything seems to be manual).

I.

[Chrissie]

The main reasons for most batteries being manual is not only can you heat the cartomisers up by pressing the button before taking a drag, but also manual batteries are sealed & so no juice can get inside them. Auto batteries aren't sealed.

[maccafan]

Aug 20, 2012 12:24:59 GMT Chrissie said:

I'm hoping that others will comment on this statement from Andy "all our Vgo/KR808D-1 stuff performs at 3.7-4.2v whereas the 510 stuff is all 3v under load despite being listed at 3.7v." As I don't believe it is true..

Correct, not true.

RIVA and unregulated ego type batteries fresh of a charger output approx 4.0 to 4.1 volts under load when new, and have a open circuit voltage of roughly 4.2 volts.

The battery inside the VGO is identical. There is no way a Jacvapour battery is going to output 4.2 volts under load even at it's first puff straight off the charger when new.

[izzznet]

@ Chrissie : I think the VGO2 Auto batteries are sealed.

I.

[Chrissie]

Thanks for that Macca it was the "under load" bit I wasn't sure enough to comment on

Izznet, I wonder if you hadn't realised the thread had gone onto a new page & missed Macca's post?

Again, I can't say for certain, but i thought auto batteries wouldn't work if they are sealed?

[izzznet]

No, I saw it had gone over to page 2.

As you are aware, I'm no expert. But I've used non-sealed batteries and sealed (and I've seen the manual EGO batteries shown on YouTube) and the VGO2s look exactly the same and certainly appear to be sealed???

I might be wrong, perhaps another more expert VGO2 Auto battery user can confirm.

I don't understand re. sealed auto batteries. The KR808-D1 auto on Vape Escape was sealed, as is JAC Vapour's V3. Am I missing something here? I'm a little confused.

Thanks again,

I.

[Chrissie]

No Izznet, it's most likely me that's wrong In the past auto batteries weren't sealed & I've not kept up with the fact that some are now.

[izzznet]

Oh, okay. Thanks.

Yes, maccafan's post was interesting re. the voltage. Suppliers need to be a little careful with their claims (especially re. their competition).

This is why forums, such as this are so valuable.

Cheers,

I.

[maccafan]

Aug 20, 2012 14:11:24 GMT Chrissie said:

Again, I can't say for certain, but i thought auto batteries wouldn't work if they are sealed?

They're not sealed..No auto battery will work if they are sealed like a manual battery.

What they have done is made the hole on the sides with a larger center pin head, like a cartomiser air hole, instead of the older type where the hole was in the center pin. This forms a barrier preventing condensation from directly flowing into the battery, but they are not as sealed as a manual battery, simply because they can't be.

The old type:


The "sealed" type:


There was an evolution in between as well where there was a hole in the center and three holes in the threads.

[Karma]

Once you get used to a manual battery you'll not want to go back to an auto one, honest

[Chrissie]

And thank you again Macca

Izznet, Karma is right. And it is really so easy to get used to a manual battery

[izzznet]

Thanks maccafan that's wonderfully clear and comprehensive.

So, they're not technically sealed, but because they've got rid of that big hole in the centre (which the only batteries that failed on me had), they prevent condensation as though they are sealed and are thus much more reliable. But because that's rather long-winded, vendors just refer to them as "sealed" or "drip-protected". Got it!

Cheers,

I.