Ingredients in e liquid?

[jayjay]

Hi, I touched on this in another thread but am now curious.
Are there currently any eliqiud suppliers who list ALL ingredients they use in there various bottles of eliqiud that they sell. I know theres no obligation to do so and no regulation, but is there a company or companies who have stepped up to the plate and are taking the lead on this matter. Maybe there is pitfalls I'm unaware of, maybe this specific issue has been discussed to death. Maybe there are companies doing it already. I know companies at present can lie anyway as no regulation. But if a company is honest and transparant why not? I'm not necessarily talking percentages so people can make there own, just enough info so we can see what were putting in our bodies.
Thanks

[maccafan]

All Hangsen premium e-liquids list all the ingredients on their bottles..

[tmax]

The Dekang also lists the ingredients on the bottle

[jayjay]

Thanks maccafan, ill look into them. They sound asian. have you any doubts about there integrity?

[Perpetua]

Hangsen & Dekang are both Chinese eliquid manufacturer's Jay, this video although quite old now, gives you an idea of the conditions that ejuice is produced in . . . .

[Fog On The Tyne Ltd]

Aug 16, 2012 19:48:09 GMT jayjay said:

Thanks maccafan, ill look into them. They sound asian. have you any doubts about there integrity?

Would you have no doubts about their integrity if they weren't Asian?

[maccafan]

Aug 16, 2012 19:48:09 GMT jayjay said:

Thanks maccafan, ill look into them. They sound asian. have you any doubts about there integrity?

I am Asian..Do you have any doubts about my integrity?

[ragjoy]

im sure jay means that as there is shed loads of gear from china that is fake and dangerous therefore he is trying to ascertain whether ejuice from that part of the world could be the same, which has been the case with dekang and others.

raggy.........

[vaperman]

I'm a huge fan of Dekang now since F.O.T.T. came here and started selling ' Genuine Dekang ' much much safer than some person In UK who ' may ' be putting god knows what In the juice, not to mention hygiene.

[Fog On The Tyne Ltd]

I'm sure you didn't mean to denigrate Asians. Is it possible that "they sound Asian" and "do you have doubts about their integrity?" were two entirely unrelated statements? Their proximity would suggest otherwise and that is going to offend most people. I say most people, not all, because there are still plenty of people who seem to think that it's entirely acceptable to portray Asians and in particular the Chinese as peasant, sweat-shop workers without the faintest idea of quality control, no regard for safety and for whom ethical conduct is an entirely alien concept.

The research and development team at Dekang consists of only people with AT LEAST a masters degree in their specialist field. Ask yourself this, how many UK and US e-liquid mixers have any chemical engineering background whatsoever? How many even have an A-level in chemistry? Yet you would trust these people to concoct substances that you will INHALE instead of a specialised, experienced, QUALIFIED team based on no reason other than one is British and the other is Asian?

This anti-Chinese sentiment seems to have drifted over from our friends across the pond and somehow become entrenched in our own views. This, coming from a country that makes no secret of its desire to restrict imports as much as legally possible. A country where 36% of all household appliances are made by prisoners in privatised prisons. A country that owes China one trillion US dollars. Yet the casual racism and mistrust towards the Chinese continues and is even seen as a healthy and patriotic attitude to have in America. Why is this seen as acceptable? Why is it okay to have your iPhone made in China and not trust them to make anything else?

It's true that a large amount of counterfeit goods come from China but is this any surprise? China makes most consumer products, we haven't seen manufacturing on this scale before. One in five people are Chinese. There are counterfeiters and shoddy manufacturers all over the world. Judge a company on its reputation not on its workers' race.

The thing to remember regarding ecigs/e-liquid and people seem to forget this, is that the Chinese invented them. It is the UK and US manufacturers that are copying their invention. If it weren't for the Chinese, we'd all still be killing ourselves with smoke, which would probably be for the best since we'd also be suffering a catastrophic global financial meltdown if China wasn't bailing us out.

[jayjay]

God what a stupid thing of me to say. I'm really sorry I meant chinese, and yes many companies in that country haven't a great record, and the government for instance isn't too keen on cracking down on copyright laws. Fixing currencys, flooding markets with dumping etc, When I saw your answer i just thought it very slightly odd or disappointed that no british companies were mentioned, only ones that I know nothing about. And odd that it would be a chinese company leading the way on this matter. What I should have said was do you trust what they say from your dealings with them.
Not that it matters one bit, but I'm mixed race, half "asian", (half indian). An example of the word asians overuse!

[jayjay]

fog on the tyne I may have upset you or otbers, and I apologise. I didn't mean to imply that you can judge quality of a product by a workers race. I believe our government, the british government is terrible, far from perfect. As is the americans across the pond. But despite there huge downsides. However terrible these governments are, regulation or no regulation, I think it is possible to question any company not by its race, but by its government who enforces the rule of law, or not as the case may be.

[Fog On The Tyne Ltd]

Aug 17, 2012 11:58:21 GMT jayjay said:

fog on the tyne I may have upset you or otbers, and I apologise. I didn't mean to imply that you can judge quality of a product by a workers race. I believe our government, the british government is terrible, far from perfect. As is the americans across the pond. But despite there huge downsides. However terrible these governments are, regulation or no regulation, I think it is possible to question any company not by its race, but by its government who enforces the rule of law, or not as the case may be.

I'm sorry if I seem to be having a go at you jayjay and you haven't upset me. The point I'm making is that people make casual racist remarks about the Chinese all the time and nobody ever challenges them or even acknowledges that its racist. For example, when you said "I'm really sorry I meant Chinese", isn't that just more specifically targetted racism?

Imagine if you had said, "They sound Bangladeshi. Do you have any doubts about their integrity?". There'd be uproar but the Chinese seem to be fair game.

There are many governments in the world I hate. One thing I'm particularly riled about at the moment is the latest stories of corruption in the FDA where drug companies have been effectively paying to get drugs approved. This doesn't mean that I think Microsoft can't make software or that Dodge can't make cars. It doesn't mean I dislike Americans or wouldn't visit their country, it just means I think some parts of its administration are corrupt.

I do kind of understand what you're trying to say but consider this...

Right now if you decide to make e-liquid in the UK, you can pretty much do what you want. No qualifications required and no regulation to interfere with it. You can make it without having the faintest clue what you were doing or knowing whether it was dangerous and the chances are that it would sell well as it would have "Made In The UK" stamped on it (plus, it would be years before anyone got ill). Imagine if you then walked into Dekang HQ and asked them for a job?

[bennyboy]

I agree with FOTT's views on the subject of e-liquids. I feel a lot happier vaping a liquid that has been manufactured by a biotechnology company, that comes sealed in a packaged product, than something else. I read about them on their website and am confident in using the products.

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[jayjay]

Ok, I see what you mean. My comments regarding sorry I meant chinese. What I meant by that is, if I was stopped by police, or if I had to fill in one of many forms kicking about government, I'd be ticked under a box which says mixed asian. Or asian white, or asian something or other. There never seems to be a tickee box which separates asia into its various parts and I fell into the same trap. So when I said sorry I meant chinese, thats where I was coming from. Britain and europe and america have many corruption issues. And that is bad. But at the same time, its not all bad. We have still some form of democracy, human rights, and transparency. We have standards here that are reasonably high. We don't allow child labour and we have a market that is about as free to move up or down without government controls to the extent that you see elsewhere. Yes our country is bad, but pegging currencies at government level, corporate corruption that stems from the highest government levels. Thousands executed each year for questioning government policies, choosing not to recruit local labour throughout africa, ignoring copyright laws to assist there jobs market, corporate espianage from government level to help there own economy is in a different league in china and other parts of asia. The cash reserves that china now has is a drop in the ocean to what it needs to become a developed country. Its cash reserves would be gone in a month or two maximum even if they were paid up front. Should the us make the decision to counter the chinese currency pegging by taxing chinese imports at a competitive level, and create u.s jobs in manufacturing in the process, the chinese dream will be over. And everyone will loose out if that is the case. I'm sure there are many politicians regardless of what country they represent looking to bolster there own countries interests. I believe china (and russia)are best at this. And that is in no way the influence of its race but of its communist government. If ever I buy something I usually like to know where its from, under what conditions, was anything harmed, is anyone getting jailed, are they transparent that kinda stuff. I think I worded my original question badly. It was in no way intended to insult anyones race.