Because i Love Computers

[womble]

Nov 2, 2012 23:46:45 GMT meeee said:

To be fair some of the newer BT master sockets allow you to remove the bottom part of the face plate and switch it for a filtered faceplate without having to recrone any wires. (if you do not have any extensions of the master socket).

The main advantage they have is the filtering of the ring wire which can act as an aerial and pick up noise.

However as you say I suspect BT will not be overly happy with you changing it yourself.

Meee

But how many people have a master socket without having any further extensions off it? Not many I guess.

If you are happy changing it and sorting out all the wires, (some houses are alot easier than others) then go for it.

I can help anyone on here who needs help to sort out their wiring, but I need a before (very good) picture and even then, I'm not promising anything.

What BT don't know won't hurt them, it depends on the engineer, some will do whatever it takes, some will be a PITA.
Bear in mind, BT engineers are now monitored for each job and the controllers will know where they are and how much time they spend on each job.

I'm more data cabling and networks now, but I still do some home cabling jobs, although I've never worked for BT, I have friends that do.

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 0:14:01 GMT womble said:

Nov 2, 2012 23:46:45 GMT meeee said:

To be fair some of the newer BT master sockets allow you to remove the bottom part of the face plate and switch it for a filtered faceplate without having to recrone any wires. (if you do not have any extensions of the master socket).

The main advantage they have is the filtering of the ring wire which can act as an aerial and pick up noise.

However as you say I suspect BT will not be overly happy with you changing it yourself.

Meee

But how many people have a master socket without having any further extensions off it? Not many I guess.

If you are happy changing it and sorting out all the wires, (some houses are alot easier than others) then go for it.

I can help anyone on here who needs help to sort out their wiring, but I need a before (very good) picture and even then, I'm not promising anything.

What BT don't know won't hurt them, it depends on the engineer, some will do whatever it takes, some will be a PITA.
Bear in mind, BT engineers are now monitored for each job and the controllers will know where they are and how much time they spend on each job.

I'm more data cabling and networks now, but I still do some home cabling jobs, although I've never worked for BT, I have friends that do.

its only useful if you do have extension wiring... not the other way around... it reduces the interference extensions cause.

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[womble]

Nov 3, 2012 0:08:23 GMT alvoram said:

womble on certains sockets, note not all!!! bt supply something they call the 'broadband booster' or similar, I believe it is a kind of plug and play interference filter... that's why they only work on certain sockets, the newer type with the horizontally split front plate. They're only actually useful if you have internal wiring, if you plug your router directly into a dsl filter connected to the main socket there is no need. Not sure if this is what he means or not, and cant check as I'm on phone.

I'm not sure what this has to do with changing the master sct for a newer NTE5, but OK.

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 0:27:51 GMT womble said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:08:23 GMT alvoram said:

womble on certains sockets, note not all!!! bt supply something they call the 'broadband booster' or similar, I believe it is a kind of plug and play interference filter... that's why they only work on certain sockets, the newer type with the horizontally split front plate. They're only actually useful if you have internal wiring, if you plug your router directly into a dsl filter connected to the main socket there is no need. Not sure if this is what he means or not, and cant check as I'm on phone.

I'm not sure what this has to do with changing the master sct for a newer NTE5, but OK.

its the same thing mee was talking about

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[womble]

Nov 3, 2012 0:31:36 GMT alvoram said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:27:51 GMT womble said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with changing the master sct for a newer NTE5, but OK.

its the same thing mee was talking about

Sent from my GT-I9300 using proboards

I'm a little bit confused, so if you have have no internal extension wiring, then you can change the bottom plate with no problems...... which is what I said anyway?

[alvoram]

Sorry womble, switched to computer so I can type better, not so easy on phone... My point was (just like meees, who replied whilst I was typing mine on phone) that you don't need to rewire a new socket to get the kind of filter I think andy may have been talking about, you just add a 'bt broadband booster plate' or 'I-plate' as long as your socket has the horizontal line, and doesn't already have the filter built in (which is what I guess this NTE5 plate has, does it?) then you should be able to install it yourself with ease, and bt not only allow it, but encourage it....

www.shop.bt.com/products/bt-iplate---bt-broadband-accelerator-58LT.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product%20search&utm_content=RR00

[meeee]

Nov 3, 2012 0:08:23 GMT alvoram said:

as for the advice, I disagree with 2 things here, firstly no anti virus is terrible advice to give to 99% of users. how do you know you've only had 2 trojans with nothing to detect the most hidden of threats, you mean you've only had 2 trojans that have had a noticably negative effect surely? I apologise if I'm wrong, however with most users not knowing how to detect and remove a virus themselves, I stand by the fact that most people should have antivirus...

secondly custom built computers are usually loads better than production line computers, in my experience its the big brands that use inferior cheap parts and inflate system prices for maximum profit, plus they tend to add lots of useless bloatware that the average user doesn't know how to remove, and has no use for.

I have to agree with you on your first point, I would not advise anyone to run a PC without Antivirus software, for example at work we use 3 different AV scanners on email before the end user actually gets the email but even then we get the odd virus getting through So to run without any would be mad.

I partially disagree with point 2, In my experience the larger PC manufacturers don't tend to use inferior parts most of them use the standard chipsets such as NVidia, Intel etc. However I do agree about the bloatware, I seem to spend forever removing factory installed crap.


meeee

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 0:44:05 GMT meeee said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:08:23 GMT alvoram said:

as for the advice, I disagree with 2 things here, firstly no anti virus is terrible advice to give to 99% of users. how do you know you've only had 2 trojans with nothing to detect the most hidden of threats, you mean you've only had 2 trojans that have had a noticably negative effect surely? I apologise if I'm wrong, however with most users not knowing how to detect and remove a virus themselves, I stand by the fact that most people should have antivirus...

secondly custom built computers are usually loads better than production line computers, in my experience its the big brands that use inferior cheap parts and inflate system prices for maximum profit, plus they tend to add lots of useless bloatware that the average user doesn't know how to remove, and has no use for.

I have to agree with you on your first point, I would not advise anyone to run a PC without Antivirus software, for example at work we use 3 different AV scanners on email before the end user actually gets the email but even then we get the odd virus getting through So to run without any would be mad.

I partially disagree with point 2, In my experience the larger PC manufacturers don't tend to use inferior parts most of them use the standard chipsets such as NVidia, Intel etc. However I do agree about the bloatware, I seem to spend forever removing factory installed crap.


meeee

yeh to be fair I suppose that depends on what type of computer you're building or buying.... I don't see any of the well known manufacturers building gaming systems with top end parts for anything less than 4x the price the same parts would cost me to buy individually and build up. I should have made that clear, sorry.

As for AV I agree completely, I only use free av on my main system, but I'd consider myself really careful, and only I use it, yet it still pops up and block files and sites that are malicious or contain malicious content every now and again.

[womble]

Nov 3, 2012 0:43:31 GMT alvoram said:

Sorry womble, switched to computer so I can type better, not so easy on phone... My point was (just like meees, who replied whilst I was typing mine on phone) that you don't need to rewire a new socket to get the kind of filter I think andy may have been talking about, you just add a 'bt broadband booster plate' or 'I-plate' as long as your socket has the horizontal line, and doesn't already have the filter built in (which is what I guess this NTE5 plate has, does it?) then you should be able to install it yourself with ease, and bt not only allow it, but encourage it....

www.shop.bt.com/products/bt-iplate---bt-broadband-accelerator-58LT.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product%20search&utm_content=RR00

I don't understand this, the normal BT master socket has a krone strip for attaching extension wiring, this is detachable from the main socket in a lower pull out section.
How can this be easily changeable for the home user?

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 0:52:38 GMT womble said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:43:31 GMT alvoram said:

Sorry womble, switched to computer so I can type better, not so easy on phone... My point was (just like meees, who replied whilst I was typing mine on phone) that you don't need to rewire a new socket to get the kind of filter I think andy may have been talking about, you just add a 'bt broadband booster plate' or 'I-plate' as long as your socket has the horizontal line, and doesn't already have the filter built in (which is what I guess this NTE5 plate has, does it?) then you should be able to install it yourself with ease, and bt not only allow it, but encourage it....

www.shop.bt.com/products/bt-iplate---bt-broadband-accelerator-58LT.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product%20search&utm_content=RR00

I don't understand this, the normal BT master socket has a krone strip for attaching extension wiring, this is detachable from the main socket in a lower pull out section.
How can this be easily changeable for the home user?

Honestly womble, I don't know, but they claim it is, and the user reviews seem to agree... quote "remove 2 screws, remove old plate, plug in new plate" did you follow the link? Sorry womble I know nothing about telephony wiring, but I had heard of this filter plate before, and that's why I pointed it out pal

[meeee]

Nov 3, 2012 0:50:53 GMT alvoram said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:44:05 GMT meeee said:

I have to agree with you on your first point, I would not advise anyone to run a PC without Antivirus software, for example at work we use 3 different AV scanners on email before the end user actually gets the email but even then we get the odd virus getting through So to run without any would be mad.

I partially disagree with point 2, In my experience the larger PC manufacturers don't tend to use inferior parts most of them use the standard chipsets such as NVidia, Intel etc. However I do agree about the bloatware, I seem to spend forever removing factory installed crap.


meeee

yeh to be fair I suppose that depends on what type of computer you're building or buying.... I don't see any of the well known manufacturers building gaming systems with top end parts for anything less than 4x the price the same parts would cost me to buy individually and build up. I should have made that clear, sorry.

As for AV I agree completely, I only use free av on my main system, but I'd consider myself really careful, and only I use it, yet it still pops up and block files and sites that are malicious or contain malicious content every now and again.

Games machines are a whole different area, I agree they are way overpriced. However if I did have masses of spare money I wouldn't mind an alienware PC. But then to be honest I don't play games much anymore, Last one was Quake 3 (thats how long ago it was) I am just trying to get it running on my raspberry Pi at the moment so I can bring back memories of yesteryear. LOL


Meeee

[meeee]

Nov 3, 2012 0:55:32 GMT alvoram said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:52:38 GMT womble said:

I don't understand this, the normal BT master socket has a krone strip for attaching extension wiring, this is detachable from the main socket in a lower pull out section.
How can this be easily changeable for the home user?

Honestly womble, I don't know, but they claim it is, and the user reviews seem to agree... quote "remove 2 screws, remove old plate, plug in new plate" did you follow the link? Sorry womble I know nothing about telephony wiring, but I had heard of this filter plate before, and that's why I pointed it out pal

The main back box as an RJ12 socket and the faceplate an RJ12 plug. You just take out the old faceplate and plug the newone in. The new one has a built in Microfilter and ringing wire isolation. It also has a crone strip for etensions.

see here www.robertos.me.uk/html/ring-bell_wire.html


Meeee

[womble]

Nov 3, 2012 0:55:32 GMT alvoram said:

Honestly womble, I don't know, but they claim it is, and the user reviews seem to agree... quote "remove 2 screws, remove old plate, plug in new plate" did you follow the link? Sorry womble I know nothing about telephony wiring, but I had heard of this filter plate before, and that's why I pointed it out pal

But I do understand telecoms wiring, which is why I don't understand it. And I did follow the link and see the reviews.

If you have a modern std BT master socket, doesn't matter what type, the hard wired cabling is fixed to the rear of the master socket.
All of your extension wiring is fixed (should be) to the removable front plate. the plate you are talking about replacing. You cannot just change the front plate with reconnecting the wires.

There are various type of older socket, but none will allow you to change the front plate.

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 0:58:17 GMT meeee said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:50:53 GMT alvoram said:

yeh to be fair I suppose that depends on what type of computer you're building or buying.... I don't see any of the well known manufacturers building gaming systems with top end parts for anything less than 4x the price the same parts would cost me to buy individually and build up. I should have made that clear, sorry.

As for AV I agree completely, I only use free av on my main system, but I'd consider myself really careful, and only I use it, yet it still pops up and block files and sites that are malicious or contain malicious content every now and again.

Games machines are a whole different area, I agree they are way overpriced. However if I did have masses of spare money I wouldn't mind an alienware PC. But then to be honest I don't play games much anymore, Last one was Quake 3 (thats how long ago it was) I am just trying to get it running on my raspberry Pi at the moment so I can bring back memories of yesteryear. LOL


Meeee

That's funny I was going to mention alienware in my post as being overpriced, but to be fair, their cases are stunning... I do like them, although I prefer coolermaster.

[alvoram]

Nov 3, 2012 1:10:21 GMT womble said:

Nov 3, 2012 0:55:32 GMT alvoram said:

Honestly womble, I don't know, but they claim it is, and the user reviews seem to agree... quote "remove 2 screws, remove old plate, plug in new plate" did you follow the link? Sorry womble I know nothing about telephony wiring, but I had heard of this filter plate before, and that's why I pointed it out pal

But I do understand telecoms wiring, which is why I don't understand it. And I did follow the link and see the reviews.

If you have a modern std BT master socket, doesn't matter what type, the hard wired cabling is fixed to the rear of the master socket.
All of your extension wiring is fixed (should be) to the removable front plate. the plate you are talking about replacing. You cannot just change the front plate with reconnecting the wires.

There are various type of older socket, but none will allow you to change the front plate.

erm... I dunno mate... Like I said, I don't do wiring, so dont really know, All I kno is the sales pitch lol.... if you look at the image of the plate itself, there's a big hole in the middle of it, doesn't look like the actual main telephone socket connects to it at all, although again, I don't know what I'm talking about lol.