Have I really stopped smoking?

[kibbster]

Vapour is a term used for gas as well (which steam is, the gaseous form of water, like ice is the frozen form of water.)
Like petrol gives off a vapour or many other things including boiled water.
The vapour has been analysed and it doesn't contain carbon monoxide so it isn't smoke.
It is however a gas with liquid droplets in it, and when you exhale also Carbon dioxide which is within your breath as well as oxygen.
Vapour may not be steam like a kettle but it's closer related than it is too smoke.

All IMHO of course, it's a long time since I did Chemistry and I'm no chemist

[lobeydosser]

I know a number of smokers who have tried vaping and decided it wasn't for them and they have returned to their traditional ciggies, roll-ups, whatever.
Whether that was because of the taste or the lack of satisfaction or whatever, I have yet to suss out.
One of them did want to use vaping as a way of stopping smoking altogether because she is pregnant, but has decided that vaping is so similar to smoking that an NRT product would be better for her. I must say I agree with that.

I do still get some pleasure from vaping in public and the stares I get from other smokers.
However it is noticable that those who do not smoke are not so inclined to stare, probably because, to them I am just smoking and they are not aware of the fact that vaping and smoking are any different.

[lobeydosser]

My dictionary definition of Smoking;- A hot vapour containing fine particles of carbon being produced by combustion.

[Blownupdolly]

I do love threads/discussions like this.

[mybad]

Nov 30, 2012 14:28:00 GMT lobeydosser said:

My dictionary definition of Smoking;- A hot vapour containing fine particles of carbon being produced by combustion.

As I said, this is what an E cig is doing.

[Gordy]

Nov 30, 2012 14:01:12 GMT lobeydosser said:

Perhaps Gordy, but is the general public all that interested in what we are doing. Do they really feel that they need to be educated?

hopefully through the same way the general public (even the ones who dont wish or arnt bothered) became aware of the dangers of cigarettes they will become educated on the benefits of vaping... these same majority of public are aware of nicotine patches and what not even tho they are indeed non smokers... we as humans pick up information from all around us whether useful or not to our everyday lives

Those members of the general public that do not and have never smoked have enough on their plates just trying to survive these days without worrying about a minority that have found another way to inhale nicotine.
All they know is that the general concensus of opinion is that smoking is bad both for the user and those in the vicinity of the user and how we do it and the technical differences is of no concern to them.

i beg to differ.... i dont use or have never used drugs... however i do know some that do ...much in the same way as non smokers know family and friends that smoke. we share the concern and care for those who are damaging their health and welcome technical differences if they do indeed offer a safer alternative

We leap onto and broadcast and every snippet of information about e-cigs that is released onto Joe Public as if it was somehow another victory for the vaping brigade, whereas, in reality, very few members of the public ever see these articles, let alone bother to read them or feel educated by them.

when these articles hit the mainstream they are very much read and absorbed by the general public ...you and most everyone reading this will know who maddie mccann is.... but do you know the 1000's of other children that go missing every year? its all a case of having information in the right place

But I still consider myself a smoker and, by deffinition, would not attempt to use my e-cig anywhere that traditional smoking is banned, even if I could. Well not openly anyways.

this is the difference between you and I... i dont smoke and have no issues vaping anywhere i feel it would be acceptable ....there is no reason to hide away ashamed of vaping ...you doing so is not helping the general public perception ...you are not doing anything wrong but acting the way you do is sending the wrong message

[kibbster]

Nov 30, 2012 14:25:13 GMT lobeydosser said:

I know a number of smokers who have tried vaping and decided it wasn't for them and they have returned to their traditional ciggies, roll-ups, whatever.
Whether that was because of the taste or the lack of satisfaction or whatever, I have yet to suss out.
One of them did want to use vaping as a way of stopping smoking altogether because she is pregnant, but has decided that vaping is so similar to smoking that an NRT product would be better for her. I must say I agree with that.

I do still get some pleasure from vaping in public and the stares I get from other smokers.
However it is noticable that those who do not smoke are not so inclined to stare, probably because, to them I am just smoking and they are not aware of the fact that vaping and smoking are any different.

It is thought that nicotine transferred through the placenta can still affect an unborn child so the advice is cold turkey is the only safe way.

Sucks to be pregnant I guess, no nicotine or alcohol as well as lots of foods to avoid

[Gordy]

Nov 30, 2012 14:40:34 GMT mybad said:

Nov 30, 2012 14:28:00 GMT lobeydosser said:

My dictionary definition of Smoking;- A hot vapour containing fine particles of carbon being produced by combustion.

As I said, this is what an E cig is doing.

i stand to be corrected but i dont believe there is combustion happening with vaping... the heat used isnt that high ...this is the same case with your oil on the cooker idea

vapour is given off at many levels of heat up until the point it combusts.

looking at you oil example... take a deep fat fryer ....the oil will give off vapour while you are cooking but its not until you get to a very high heat that it will combust into flames

[kibbster]

Nov 30, 2012 14:40:34 GMT mybad said:

Nov 30, 2012 14:28:00 GMT lobeydosser said:

My dictionary definition of Smoking;- A hot vapour containing fine particles of carbon being produced by combustion.

As I said, this is what an E cig is doing.

Not quite, vapourisation or atomisation and combustion aren't the same.

Combustion - the process through which matter burns.
Vapourisation - Turning a liquid into a gas through heat.

One is harmful to inhale because a by product of fire is smoke, the other can be harmless depending on which gas you are inhaling.

Horrible explanation I know, but smoke and vapour are different, although they are both gaseous by products.

[mybad]

Nov 30, 2012 14:48:08 GMT Gordy said:

Nov 30, 2012 14:40:34 GMT mybad said:

As I said, this is what an E cig is doing.

i stand to be corrected but i dont believe there is combustion happening with vaping... the heat used isnt that high ...this is the same case with your oil on the cooker idea

vapour is given off at many levels of heat up until the point it combusts.

looking at you oil example... take a deep fat fryer ....the oil will give off vapour while you are cooking but its not until you get to a very high heat that it will combust into flames

The cooking in the fryer is giving off steam from the product being cooked, not a vapor, I would think that the coil in the Ecig is way hot enough when it glows to combust the liquid.

[Blownupdolly]

I have posted this a few times on here.
I cannot see a hospital heart and lung consultant allowing me to vape in bed on a ward with various other eldery patients if it were considered harmful, and I was in there waiting for diagnosis of COPD!

[archiecat]

I've been vaping for a couple weeks now, so maybe I,m still addicted to something but I feel much happier with this addiction than the fags.

Now when they come up with an electric pint I'll have cracked it!

John

[Gordy]

Nov 30, 2012 14:57:53 GMT mybad said:

Nov 30, 2012 14:48:08 GMT Gordy said:

i stand to be corrected but i dont believe there is combustion happening with vaping... the heat used isnt that high ...this is the same case with your oil on the cooker idea

vapour is given off at many levels of heat up until the point it combusts.

looking at you oil example... take a deep fat fryer ....the oil will give off vapour while you are cooking but its not until you get to a very high heat that it will combust into flames

The cooking in the fryer is giving off steam from the product being cooked, not a vapor, I would think that the coil in the Ecig is way hot enough when it glows to combust the liquid.

the oil is turning to vapour as well

the coil in the atty doesnt get as high as you'd imagine and rarely glows in normal use ...there is also no flame

[mybad]

Nov 30, 2012 15:18:36 GMT Gordy said:

Nov 30, 2012 14:57:53 GMT mybad said:

The cooking in the fryer is giving off steam from the product being cooked, not a vapor, I would think that the coil in the Ecig is way hot enough when it glows to combust the liquid.

the oil is turning to vapour as well

the coil in the atty doesnt get as high as you'd imagine and rarely glows in normal use ...there is also no flame

Yes I agree that the oil will vapor with heat, until that heat reaches a temp to cause combustion, how many times have you seen utube vids of atty's being tested to see if the coil is ok by means of watching the coil glow, as I am new to vaping, am not sure what the amount of volts is needed to make your average atty glow.

[Gordy]

yes it glows if you let it heat for long enough but by that time all the juice has vaporised ...granted what is left would combust and you would get smoke ...but that isnt normal operating boundaries