Have I really stopped smoking?

[alvoram]

There is no combustion involved with using an ecig, so by the definitions posted above, it is not smoking,. We already know this as fact, because it's the very reason that vaping is allowed indoors in public places, because there is no combustion involved.

[Roger]

One of the preparation steps for a SS mesh is to put eliquid on the wick and put a lighter to it. It combusts and burns with a flame. When you heat the coil, the liquid does not burn with a flame, but vapourises.

[andym]

Nov 30, 2012 13:47:02 GMT kibbster said:

If I grow three heads from vaping then so be it.

that just means you will be able to have 3 differnt mods and flavours on the go at the same time!!!

[lobeydosser]

<<<this is the difference between you and I... i dont smoke and have no issues vaping anywhere i feel it would be acceptable ....there is no reason to hide away ashamed of vaping ...you doing so is not helping the general public perception ...you are not doing anything wrong but acting the way you do is sending the wrong message >>>

Contrary to your opinion of me, I wear an e-cig on a lanyard around my neck and it is in full view for all to see.
It goes on with my clothes in the morning and only comes off when I undress at night.
Even when I am using my provari, which is too big to go on the lanyard, my ego is still there hanging from my neck.
I am not ashamed of being seen to be a vaper/smoker and I really do not give a fiddlers fig what other people think of me.
Everyone in the village that knows me, also know that I am using an e-cig and I often get comments like, "What flavour are you on today"?

I see nothing wrong with vaping, but then again, I never saw all that much wrong with smoking either apart from the price and it was the price that made me look for a cheaper alternative and it is the price of vaping that is keeping me here.

I am actually quite amused that anyone would think of any vaper being ashamed of what they were doing or that that by discussing our own perceptions of vaping/smoking in a vaping forum would send the wrong message to Joe Public.

Anyways, this discussion has answered my question.
I am still a smoker.
I just choose to use the vaping method rather than the cigarette method.
Perhaps, in the far distant future, should I ever get to the stage when I am vaping on a No Nic e-juice, I will reconsider my stand on my definition of what I am doing, but perhaps not.

[Gordy]

Nov 30, 2012 16:44:43 GMT lobeydosser said:

Contrary to your opinion of me, I wear an e-cig on a lanyard around my neck and it is in full view for all to see.
It goes on with my clothes in the morning and only comes off when I undress at night.
Even when I am using my provari, which is too big to go on the lanyard, my ego is still there hanging from my neck.
I am not ashamed of being seen to be a vaper/smoker and I really do not give a fiddlers fig what other people think of me.
Everyone in the village that knows me, also know that I am using an e-cig and I often get comments like, "What flavour are you on today"?

it wasnt my opinion of you... it because you said 'you wouldnt vape anywhere where smoking is banned, well at least not openly'... which i took to mean you would vape stealthily as to not be seen and not bring attention to yourself... as in you wouldnt want to be seen as doing something prohibited ...but its not prohibited so why would you want to give the impression it was?

Nov 30, 2012 16:44:43 GMT lobeydosser said:

Anyways, this discussion has answered my question.
I am still a smoker.
I just choose to use the vaping method rather than the cigarette method.
Perhaps, in the far distant future, should I ever get to the stage when I am vaping on a No Nic e-juice, I will reconsider my stand on my definition of what I am doing, but perhaps not.

so by your definition if the e-liquid didnt contain nicotine then you could conceivably consider yourself as a non smoker?

[mybad]

^^^^ good point.

[alvoram]

Don't think I've ever seen such a pointless debate in my life, vaping is not smoking, its not difficult to understand, it simply isn't the same thing, nobody here has the power to alter the meaning of a word. If people choose to see themselves as smokers whilst vaping, for their own reasons, such as the fact they'd still smoke under the right circumstances, then fair enough, each to their own. But vaping is still not smoking.

Having said that, I do seem to love a pointless debate

[Blownupdolly]

Thats me exactly. I know it technically is not smoking but i just have to pretend to myself that i still am smoking for psychological reasons.

[mybad]

The reason I have considered E cigs, is purely to hopefully reduce the health issues connected with smoking tobacco , I wouldn't consider vaping quote/unquote smoking, it is only like putting something into your mouth like food or drink by way of an instrument to satisfy your bodys need, ie thirst / hunger , so all you are doing really is feeding another need that your body wants.
So would I consider it smoking ? NO.

Just had my first vape today,

[dizzi]

I think there is some confusion on this thread as to the difference between vapour and smoke. Vapour contains miniscule droplets of liquid (eg water droplets in steam from a kettle) whereas smoke contains minute particles of various solids as well as liquids. It is the solids that do the damage. If inhaling steam/water droplets was unhealthy the human race wouldn't exist as there is nearly always some liquid (humidity) in the air we breathe in, even in the cleanest air. And nobody would ever have invented the sauna/steam room.

In answer to the question: no, I don't consider myself a smoker. A nicotine addict yes, but as I am no longer inhaling smoke I am no longer a smoker. I don't believe that 'smoker' as a word, equates to a similar meaning as 'alcoholic', whereby an alcoholic is always an alcoholic even if they are no longer drinking alcohol. I am still a nicotine addict (nicoholic?), but not a smoker anymore. I will probably always be a nicotine addict, but as long as vaping supplies are available either to buy or to make myself, I will never again be a smoker. I hope (though obviously can't guarantee) that even if they were to become impossible to acquire or make at some point in the future I would still not be a smoker again. I'm not even entirely sure it is the nicotine alone that I am addicted to, otherwise NRT would work. And it doesn't, at least not for me.

[alvoram]

Exactly dizzi, the definition of smoking has nothing to do with nicotine, many true smokers do not inhale any nicotine at all, but by definition they are still smoking, think cannabis

[kibbster]

Nov 30, 2012 18:58:57 GMT alvoram said:

Exactly dizzi, the definition of smoking has nothing to do with nicotine, many true smokers do not inhale any nicotine at all, but by definition they are still smoking, think cannabis

Isn't that generally mixed with tobacco and smoked though?
Having said that it's still inhaling smoke, therefore smoking.

[alvoram]

Nov 30, 2012 19:03:02 GMT kibbster said:

Nov 30, 2012 18:58:57 GMT alvoram said:

Exactly dizzi, the definition of smoking has nothing to do with nicotine, many true smokers do not inhale any nicotine at all, but by definition they are still smoking, think cannabis

Isn't that generally mixed with tobacco and smoked though?
Having said that it's still inhaling smoke, therefore smoking.

Nope, not always, lots of cannabis smokers chose not to mix it with tobacco because they believe tobacco is worse for their health than cannabis It can be smoked in a pipe pure. there are other things that are smoked which are not tobacco, and contain no nicotine, this was just an example.

BTW Cannabis is far worse than tobacco, as the smoke from pure cannabis contains more tar. It's yet another misconception born from the belief that nicotine is the harmful substance in tobacco, which leads people to think that cannabis is safer due to the lack of nicotine

[Deleted]

I went to the blood pressure clinic at my doctors practice early July, the nurse asked if I smoked I told her I'd switched to an e cigarette in May she told me her husband was on one as well then said "that will be non smoker then", good enough for me. Dave

[kibbster]

Nov 30, 2012 19:11:27 GMT alvoram said:

Nov 30, 2012 19:03:02 GMT kibbster said:

Isn't that generally mixed with tobacco and smoked though?
Having said that it's still inhaling smoke, therefore smoking.

Nope, not always, lots of cannabis smokers chose not to mix it with tobacco because they believe tobacco is worse for their health than cannabis It can be smoked in a pipe pure. there are other things that are smoked which are not tobacco, and contain no nicotine, this was just an example.

BTW Cannabis is far worse than tobacco, as the smoke from pure cannabis contains more tar. It's yet another misconception born from the belief that nicotine is the harmful substance in tobacco, which leads people to think that cannabis is safer due to the lack of nicotine

I bow to your superior knowledge on this
hehe

I haven't smoked it for about 20 years and that was with baccy.