High end e-juice

[djs]

Dec 2, 2012 21:01:04 GMT lobeydosser said:

I have now found the article that I read some time ago, on the absorbtion rate of nicotine in e-cigs. It was here;-
www.gptvnetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=76

nothing there as to any "clinical research" but more common sense than I have read elsewhere.

That's an interesting article.

I'm vaping under 2mls of anything between 10-18mg.

30% of 2 x 18mg = approx 10mg per day. Seems about right.

[lobeydosser]

Yes, I go through about 4ml of 24mg per day. That is very similar to the 40 a day habit I came off of, if I work it out on the 30% basis.
I think your body tells you what is right for you.

[Skwoddy]

For me, my body tells me, I done a little test when I noticed I was vaping less than normal, my everyday strength is 18mg, when I switched unknowingly to 24mg (menthol i like occasionally), there was a marked decrease in the times I reached for my device, I noticed eventually and decided to make a home mix of 36mg, again a marked decrease, so much so that an 18350 battery lasted over 24 hours (normal useage is 18490 in 14 hours.) The throat hit difference was stronger but not unvapeable, it got my attention but wasnt bad.

Your body knows best it seems, my guess is if I vaped normally with such strength I would have had a headache and nausea and all the other annoying nic overdose symptoms.

[hifistud]

As "the bloke that did the video" let me try to re-state the logic. I have known many, many people try an e-cig and give it up as a bad job, purely because they weren't being satisfied - in other words, because they felt the need for a fag after they'd been sucking on an 11mg juice, and because they could not get away from the "ten drags and it's a fag" paradigm.

45mg juice is a high concentration, true, BUT... it absolutely does allow you to go the "ten drags and it's a fag" route and come away satisfied. If you bought 6mg and had to keep on sucking all day, how do you persist? You await a delivery of something stronger. But how strong?

So why not get the strongest, and know that you can water it down (so to speak) if it kicks your head in, rather than end up going back to fags because what you got isn't doing the do?

And just as a by-word, if you get prescribed the strongest patch, my information is that you'll be using far more than 60mg a day (I'm told they'll give give you 4x30mg patches a day) and gum and lozenges come in 4mg a time to replace a single ciggie.

To the best of my knowledge, the "working theory" is that roughly a quarter of the nic you take in gets where it's needed from an e-cig, so if 1ml of 45mg would keep a former 10 a day person more or less happy, that amounts to, roughly, 11mg intake per day - pretty much the same as you'd get from normal fags.

Anyhoo, there will be more in that series, and I'll make sure I cover the concerns mentioned here so that potential newbies are fully informed with all the opinions, and I do thank everyone for their input.

[djs]

Dec 2, 2012 23:41:17 GMT hifistud said:

As "the bloke that did the video" let me try to re-state the logic....and I do thank everyone for their input.

WOW. Let me offer some respect by metaphorically bowing my head and saying hello japanese style. Konbanwa.

I love the videos and what you are doing. More power to your elbow.

Would it be fair to say that a low nicotine smoker (10-15 lights, say) might "instinctively" reach for their PVD the same amount of times during a typical day that they would light up. If so, they will end up consuming 10-15 "sessions-worth" of vapour. Surely the key is then to get the nicotine close to spot on without kind of limiting oneself to only 6 puffs or something.

I got cravings with 12mg. I didn't with 18 or 20mg.

Is it coincidence that my tobacco nic' intake was about 18mg/day.

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Keep up the good work.

I wish you'd puffed away on that nonsense white e-cig look-a-like, just to show the pathetic vapour...

[lobeydosser]

Hi Hifistud, Thanks for joining in this topic and it is nice to see you.

I guess that most folks that watch your videos are steered there through a vaping forum and therefore already have enough information to make up their own minds about how to find a nic strength that they are happy with.

[hifistud]

Dec 3, 2012 0:01:42 GMT djs said:

Dec 2, 2012 23:41:17 GMT hifistud said:

As "the bloke that did the video" let me try to re-state the logic....and I do thank everyone for their input.

WOW. Let me offer some respect by metaphorically bowing my head and saying hello japanese style. Konbawa

I love the videos and what you are doing. More power to your elbow.

thank you.

Would it be fair to say that a low nicotine smoker (10-15 lights, say) might "instinctively" reach for their PVD the same amount of times during a typical day that they would light up. If so, they will end up consuming 10-15 "sessions-worth" of vapour. Surely the key is then to get the nicotine close to spot on without kind of limiting oneself to only 6 puffs or something.

I do feel that the expectation, most of the time, is that an e-cig will act very much like a rsl one, and that ten draws or so will be about the expectation, per sesh, and that, yes, in an ideal world, the nic intake will precisely match what went before. The challenge is that we still don't fully understand the mechanisms of nic uptake from e-cigs. We have a ballpark understanding, but nothing concrete and 100% reliable.

I got cravings with 12mg. I didn't with 18 or 20mg.

Is it coincidence that my tobacco nic' intake was about 18mg/day.

most likely not!

Keep up the good work.

I wish you'd puffed away on that nonsense white e-cig look-a-like, just to show the pathetic vapour...

There are some things that are just so bad an experience that it's wrong to even contemplate doing them... that was one of them. Aside from which, that atty blew up ages ago.

[vapee]

I think one of the main things that determines whether someones having too high a strength nicotine is with body weight, at least thats how they quantify the OD limit per /kg
I'm sure at lower levels that tolerance also comes into play
I guess the device also matters as people starting out might end up with your small white battery and not much vapour lol

[hifistud]

There's that, too...

[dave]

Very interesting thread. I now only use 24mg, or in fact most of the time 36mg juice, but I only get through about 3ml of juice a day if that. I just have the occasional puff, get a good belt and put it down. The only time I experienced the symptoms of nic overdose were a few times in my early days of vaping, especially when I was having a drink - I just wasn't getting enough of a kick from what I was using, so I was repeatedly puffing at it.
The nicotine strength obviously plays a major part in this, but I think the power that you vape at is also a significant factor. A starter kit will typically give you about 5 watts at most - I need 8/9 watts I have found.

[lobeydosser]

At last I have found a copy of yon poll that was taken about the strength of nic juice that folks are using.
I don't know how old it is.

Community Poll
What is your favorite nicotine strength e-liquid?
1. 1443 (16%) XX-High - 36mg:
2. 306 (3%) X-High - 26mg:
3. 1196 (13%) X-High - 24mg:
4. 2122 (25%) High - 18mg:
5. 667 (7%) High - 16mg:
6. 640 (7%) Medium - 14mg:
7. 1006 (11%) Medium - 11mg:
8. 461 (5%) Low - 8mg:
9. 542 (6%) Low - 6mg:
10. 583 (7%) Zero - 0mg:

[hifistud]

These are precisely the reasons I've gone route I did in the video - the ability to "tailor the experience" with a simple turny-uppy-downy knob on the bottom, coupled with juice you can water down if your eyes water is a concept that, I think, most folks can cope with. All too often, newbies get something that just doesn't deliver, either in the amount of vapour or the nic transfer - that setup should cater for 90% of folks, I feel.

Dec 3, 2012 15:07:26 GMT dave said:

Very interesting thread. I now only use 24mg, or in fact most of the time 36mg juice, but I only get through about 3ml of juice a day if that. I just have the occasional puff, get a good belt and put it down. The only time I experienced the symptoms of nic overdose were a few times in my early days of vaping, especially when I was having a drink - I just wasn't getting enough of a kick from what I was using, so I was repeatedly puffing at it.
The nicotine strength obviously plays a major part in this, but I think the power that you vape at is also a significant factor. A starter kit will typically give you about 5 watts at most - I need 8/9 watts I have found.

[hifistud]

I'm rarely far away from here - I just don't post too often...

To be honest, I don't know how folks find www.vapourtrails.tv which is where all my output lives - I assume through word of mouth - we don't spam a lot. Perhaps we should do more.

But, I'm thinking this is a damned good topic for Wednesday's VT Talk (9pm, live as a live thing).

I'd love folks to agree to skype in and have a natter...

Dec 3, 2012 0:48:01 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi Hifistud, Thanks for joining in this topic and it is nice to see you.

I guess that most folks that watch your videos are steered there through a vaping forum and therefore already have enough information to make up their own minds about how to find a nic strength that they are happy with.

[Mev]

I wouldn't advise anyone to use above 18mg and it's what I tell anyone to use who asks. If later they feel they want higher then that's up to them. I tried 36mg when first starting and thought my head was going to explode after a full day vaping, not nice at all.

[lobeydosser]

Dec 3, 2012 16:53:44 GMT Mev said:

I wouldn't advise anyone to use above 18mg and it's what I tell anyone to use who asks. If later they feel they want higher then that's up to them. I tried 36mg when first starting and thought my head was going to explode after a full day vaping, not nice at all.

I have never tried anything above 24mg, but after reading the comments here and ofcourse watching the video, I have today ordered some 30mg juice just to see how I am with it.
Two birds with one stone(d) new juice, new strength.

If that is okay then I will try a 36mg mix of one of my own favourites.