Help! Juice is separating!

[mzal]

I made a simple mix using 54mg pg based nic, vg and tuti fruity from cupcake world. It will not stay mixed it just separates within 5 min with the flavour sat on top as though it is oil. I tried warming the mix slightly to see if that helped but no luck. Anyone got any ideas?

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[Sandra (aka Chillax)]

dunno why that is happening, hopefully Perpy or Froggy will be online later to advice.

[azzie]

Are you 100% sure the flavouring isnt oil based?

You could try warming it in a water bath.

I think Frogster has the MSDS sheets for cupcake world flavours, he`ll be able to tell you as some are not suitable for vaping.

[lazydog]

Guessing I would say the flavouring is not suitable for use in e-juice stick to known safe flavourings that are safe for inhalation a big difference to ingestion.

[dizzi]

This is the Safety Sheet info for Tutti-Fruity:

Product Name: Tutti-Fruity Flavour
Product Code: 0555
Description: A yellow to light orange mobile liquid
Weight/ml @ 20°C: 0.830 to 0.869
Refractive Index @ 20°C:. 1.4704 to 1.4855
Acidity: N/A
Preservative: Absent
Aroma: Sweet peely notes
Taste: Mixed citrus fruit flavour
Suggested rate of use: From 0.01%
Suggested Applications: 1. Fondants 2. Confectionery 3. Fillings 4. Bakery
Solvent: None
Legal Status: Natural
May be declared as: 1. Flavourings
2. Natural Flavouring
Additives Present: None
Not suitable for use in : Soft Drinks
Packing: plastic containers
Storage: Cool, away from direct light and strong odours
Shelf Life: 6 months from delivery
This product is a concentrated flavouring for foodstuffs and it complies with current UK and EEC legislation.
Notes:- Issue Number 1 Date: 07/02/01
This copy issued: 3/28/2012
The information given is correct to the best of our knowledge at the time of issue.

Doesn't say anything about an oil base - what does the list of ingredients on the bottle say?

Edit - just noticed this bit: Not suitable for use in : Soft Drinks Perhaps that's why?

Edit again: I've just been through the whole list of CCW flavours on the Safety Info thread that Frogster posted, and Tutti-Fruity is the ONLY flavour liste as being Not suitable for Soft Drinks. Sorry mzal, I think you picked the only flavour CCW do that's unsuitable for vaping :-[

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

I would think (only my thoughts on the subject)... but as no solvents have been used to extract then the flavour is most likely derived from cold pressing, then concentrated by some process.

The flavour is described as a "Mixed citrus fruit flavour", I think most cold presses of citrus fruits produce citrus oil, this could/would account for the separation when adding to VG or PG.... only my idea!

[FirinBlanks]

I had the same when using CCW lemon, although I'm not sure if it was purely down to the lemon as there were a few other new flavours in there (and I used de-ionised water for the first time) too.

[OneDay]

CCW lemon is oil-based rather than PG, so not suitable for mixing

[smudge]

Sorry, but somehow missed this thread before. The weight/ml and refractive index both indicate that what you have is oil rather than water based. Aqueous solutions typically have a weight/ml near to or >1g and a refractive index of 1.3 - 1.4. Oils tend to be lighter/ml but have a higher refractive index. There are of course exceptions, but it definitely looks like you have an oil based liquid rather than aqueous, hence the separation. btw I'm no expert in food additives etc, just a simple chemist

[Moon]

Bloody bugger.

I've got Tutti Frutti, and my orange does the same.

Just ordered some lemon as well.

[OneDay]

Now I got on ok with the orange, it's PG based

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 23:11:33 GMT OneDay said:

Now I got on ok with the orange, it's PG based

It sits on the top of my bottle just like the TF does.

[OneDay]

Dec 3, 2012 23:15:08 GMT Moon said:

Dec 3, 2012 23:11:33 GMT OneDay said:

Now I got on ok with the orange, it's PG based

It sits on the top of my bottle just like the TF does.

Strange - I used the orange in my Tap'n'Unwrap recipe with no probs ???

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 23:17:30 GMT OneDay said:

Dec 3, 2012 23:15:08 GMT Moon said:

It sits on the top of my bottle just like the TF does.

Strange - I used the orange in my Tap'n'Unwrap recipe with no probs ???

I wonder if they changed it?

I'd be happy if I can use it as the smell's great, but I've just given it a shake this evening as it's still steeping, and there was a layer of it on the top of the mix.

[smudge]

What percentage of your mix is PG? If it's 50% or less, try increasing it and see if that helps. I'd have to look it up, but I'm not sure if VG is as effective as PG when it comes to getting oily flavourings to mix