Nicotine Base PG

[Moon]

I currently have 500 ml of unopened 50mg PG nix base, and have just ordered 1 litre of 75mg.

I'm planning on glass bottling it and sticking it in the freezer to keep it as fresh as possible.

In order to do this, I plan on using smaller bottles, probably 100/120ml, so that I'm not opening a large bottle every time I want to mix some juice, and I'm thinking of diluting the 75mg down to 50mg before bottling, so each bottle I have in use at one time will last me less time than it would if it were 75mg, thus meaning at the end of the bottle it's only been out of the freezer for two months rather than three months.

Does this sound logical, or am I talking bollocks?

[Perpetua]

Sounds logical enough to me Moonie, no hint of bollox that I could see.

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 19:15:02 GMT Perpetua said:

Sounds logical enough to me Moonie, no hint of bollox that I could see.

Splendid, I do so dislike talking bollocks.

I'll get me some glass bottles, I'm very surprised at just how cheap they are.

www.ampulla.co.uk/GLASS-PHARMAPAC-BOTTLES/c-1-193/

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

…. and I have heard tell that Perps has eagle eyes when it comes to Bollock spotting…

I’ll join Skwoody, etal, and also get my coat…

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 20:00:27 GMT Frogster (The Alchemist) said:

…. and I have heard tell that Perps has eagle eyes when it comes to Bollock spotting…

I’ll join Skwoody, etal, and also get my coat…

I'll refrain from commenting as I'm far too polite.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Hi Moon,

If the goal is maximising product lifespan, my only concern is risk of contamination while doing the decanting into glass bottles, either from a non sterile bottle or from contaminants in the air.

(Bottling from reputable companies is done in a clean air environment to prevent/reduce the risk of microbacterial and fungal spore contamination from stuff in the air which we can't see).

That said PG has some inherent bactericidal properties and keeping in the freezer will slow any growth.

IMO, I'd keep the product in it's original packaging in the freezer, and have another smaller bottle for routine use that could be topped up from your freezer stock.

[Perpetua]

Dec 3, 2012 20:14:13 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

IMO, I'd keep the product in it's original packaging in the freezer, and have another smaller bottle for routine use that could be topped up from your freezer stock.

That's what I tend to do must admit PM, purely because it's less faff than decanting into smaller bottles . . . as it doesn't freeze solid it's easy enough to draw some up in a syringe and into a smaller ' to use ' bottle.

[Moon]

Understood, but then I'd be opening the same bottle every time in the same non-sterile environment.

My logic was based upon only needing to open the original bottle once to do the decanting, as opposed to having to open that same bottle every time I wanted to pour eg 100ml into a 'current' bottle.

Storing it in glass would also, I hoped, stop the leaching of any nicotine into the plastic bottle, as it's (hopefully) going to be in the freezer for a good eighteen months, or at least the last of it is.


I'm more than happy to be swayed on this as I'm not entirely convinced my logic is sound.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Dec 3, 2012 20:35:04 GMT Moon said:

Understood, but then I'd be opening the same bottle every time in the same non-sterile environment.

My logic was based upon only needing to open the original bottle once to do the decanting, as opposed to having to open that same bottle every time I wanted to pour eg 100ml into a 'current' bottle.

Storing it in glass would also, I hoped, stop the leaching of any nicotine into the plastic bottle, as it's (hopefully) going to be in the freezer for a good eighteen months, or at least the last of it is.


I'm more than happy to be swayed on this as I'm not entirely convinced my logic is sound.

True, but I think at least you would be pouring 'out' of the bulk freezer bottle, less risk than pouring 'in', or adding PG, or having non sterile bottles...I think. Pouring would also be preferable than to introduce anything non-sterile into your bulk freezer bottle.

Yes, glass bottles don't leach, which is why we use them, despite their cost. How big an issue leaching is in plastic bottles.... I'm unsure; you'll maybe just loose a little strength in time.


[Edit: Typo]

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 21:02:52 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Dec 3, 2012 20:35:04 GMT Moon said:

Understood, but then I'd be opening the same bottle every time in the same non-sterile environment.

My logic was based upon only needing to open the original bottle once to do the decanting, as opposed to having to open that same bottle every time I wanted to pour eg 100ml into a 'current' bottle.

Storing it in glass would also, I hoped, stop the leaching of any nicotine into the plastic bottle, as it's (hopefully) going to be in the freezer for a good eighteen months, or at least the last of it is.


I'm more than happy to be swayed on this as I'm not entirely convinced my logic is sound.

True, but I think at least you would be pouring 'out' of the bulk freezer bottle, less risk than pouring 'in', or adding PG, or having non sterile bottles...I think. Pouring would also be preferable than to introduce anything non-sterile into your bulk freezer bottle.

Yes, glass bottles don't leach, which is why we use them, despite their cost. How big an issue leaching is in plastic bottles.... I'm unsure; you'll maybe just loose a little strength in time.


[Edit: Typo]

So more to be worried about the non-sterile bottles than the environment.

That makes sense.

I told you I wasn't convinced of my logic, I think I'll take your advice.


I was talking bollocks after all, how very disappointing.

[Skwoddy]

I would consider that any airborne nasties wouldnt be very nasty after spending 18 months frozen in a pg liquid with antibacterial qualities. Do them things like the cold?

.. I always liked the horror story that a Keyboard holds more germs than a toilet seat...

/runs off to wash hands

[FirinBlanks]

Dec 3, 2012 21:42:42 GMT Skwoddy said:

a Keyboard holds more germs than a toilet seat.

That's why my posts are from my iPad (while on the toilet). It's much more hygienic.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Dec 3, 2012 21:34:16 GMT Moon said:

So more to be worried about the non-sterile bottles than the environment.

That makes sense.

I told you I wasn't convinced of my logic, I think I'll take your advice.


I was talking bollocks after all, how very disappointing.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that you were talking bollocks . The above is just my opinion based on general good practise, some experience in water laboratories and a bit of supposition. With PG's antibacterial properties the risks may in reality be less than stated, but I don't have data to back that up.

[Moon]

Dec 3, 2012 21:57:05 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Dec 3, 2012 21:34:16 GMT Moon said:

So more to be worried about the non-sterile bottles than the environment.

That makes sense.

I told you I wasn't convinced of my logic, I think I'll take your advice.


I was talking bollocks after all, how very disappointing.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that you were talking bollocks . The above is just my opinion based on general good practise, some experience in water laboratories and a bit of supposition. With PG's antibacterial properties the risks may in reality be less than stated, but I don't have data to back that up.

I was only looking for people with more experience than me to poke holes in my logic, as I couldn't see any.

You've poked enough for me to see any potential gains negated by the losses.

I quite liked the idea of lots of glass amber bottles as well.

[Perpetua]

((((( Moonie )))))

Couldn't you get the bottles anyway, just to look at.