Vaping for the next 5 years

[lobeydosser]

Dec 6, 2012 20:22:17 GMT giles said:

Dec 6, 2012 20:18:48 GMT lobeydosser said:

I understand why some of us are buying in Nic Base, but are the same people also buying in Propylene Glycol, Glycerine and Flavours?

No, because those things are also used for other purposes, so they won't ban them.

If, according to what has been discussed, this proposed ban was a sensibly thought out and understandable arguement against all things e-cig wise, I would tend to agree with you, but what they are using as arguments against e-cigs covers all aspects of e-cig use, including the use of our chemicals.
Although most of our chemicals are used in other products, we have already seen what the EU are capable of in banning other chemicals used in other fields and the effects these bans have caused in making rural communities and pastimes difficult if not impossible.

The EU cares little about the consequences of its policies and appears to be only interested in furthering the interests of large chemical companies.

Whilst I do not think that e-cigs and their accompanying chemicals will remain banned for ever, I do think that there is a very likely period of time coming where getting hold of some of the stuff we use will be difficult, if not impossible.

So, for peace of mind, I can see me putting by a stock of everything I think I will need for the next 5 years.
It will not go to waste and, if at the end of 5 years I end up the dinosaur of the vaping world, at least I will be a Contented Dinosaur.


Thanks for the comments so far.

[Malibu]

Dec 6, 2012 10:17:00 GMT azzie said:

Well, the world ends in 15 days so I dont know what all the fuss is about

My daughters birthday is on 22nd and she asked if she could have her present a day early. I didn't have a clue what she was talking about until she said that she wouldn't get a birthday otherwise

[ChillerVapes]

Surely, if they ban ecigs, it would be an infringement of human rights to be able to choose yo use a legal substance in a safe way.
It would also mean that they would be giving many vapers the life sentence by forcing many of us to go back to killing ourselves with tobacco.
Why does the eu frown so much on nicotine use when caffine (sorry cant spell) is a very similar drug but found in everything from your morning cuppa to bars of chocolate!

Why can't they just make a caffine tax and ban tobacco products (not including nicotine)

They would be made out as heroes by banning the sale of tobacco products by health experts around the world, the nhs would save billions not having to treat smoking related illnesses and the average life expectancy in europe would increase.

[Bluefish]

Why because if they banned tobacco uk plc would be bankrupt, all smokers drinkers and drivers should be given medals for keeping the country afloat

[talisman]

Surely people cant really be that stupid or corrupt. Banning e-cigs whilst allowing people to smoke cigarettes is absolutely ludicrous,it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It looks like i am becoming a confirmed vaper and if necessary i to will stock up on all the items that are liable to be put on a banned list. Why cant we as a forum buy nic in bulk and split the costs to those interested?

[chrisde]

What seems likely is not a ban on ecigs as such, but a ban on so called "unregulated" ecigs. Meaning, you will need a license to produce the filled cartos. What they seem to want to ban is eliquid in bottles and the sale of nicotine base.

How much of that "directive" will filter through to national law, and how fast, is open to debate. I fear it will be only months in Germany (we have an election next year, they'll behave before that) and might take a lot longer in the UK where at least parts of your government are not completely against ecigs.

Oh, and @chillervapes, are you quite sure that the cost for your health service would go down if people stopped dying at relatively young age from smoking? That's something I hear all the time, but I can't believe it. After all, the older we become, the more diseases we have a chance to get. We all die from something sooner or later. The later we die, the more we cost.

[goofy]

Dec 6, 2012 22:18:39 GMT talisman said:

Surely people cant really be that stupid or corrupt. Banning e-cigs whilst allowing people to smoke cigarettes is absolutely ludicrous,it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Actually, it makes huge financial sense to the tobacco and drug companies

[ChillerVapes]

Another thing which winds me up about the relaxed approach to caffeine is there is no age restrictions on it. My 9 year old came home with a can of monster the other day, which is strong enough to have me wired for at least 5 hours. Thankfully, she hadn't opened it so I didn't let her have it but many parents would. Kids are getting the wrong impressions from all these caffeine filled drinks which are everywhere, they think it's just a bit of fun to be buzzed up not knowing the dangers of caffeine overdose or addition. I once (when I was young) went out partying all night and rather than going home, I went to work and I just bought a pack of pro plus to keep me going. In the first 3 hours, I had managed to eat about 9 of the tiny pills before I started feeling really ill and collapsing. I had only gone and o/d on them! Lucky, I was fine, but I learnt my lesson that caffeine is actually quite a serious drug and shouldn't be looked upon lightly.

[smudge]

I still don't understand why these caffeine drinks haven't had an age restriction slapped on them yet! The thought of a 9 year old drinking a whole can of monster is quite scary frankly - glad you could grab it before your daughter managed to drink it all.

My OH works in a school in a fairly deprived part of Gtr Manc and the kids used to arrive in the morning hopped up on red bull, monster etc. Complete nightmare! Fortunately it's a decent school and pains have been taken to educate the little darlings that what they're doing is pretty daft. For the most part they've taken notice and the problem has all but disappeared (apart from the usual hardcore few) but it just beats me that it can be sold to primary school kids with no questions asked ???

[talisman]

Chiller lets face it,probably one of the worst addictions is alcohol. It causes so much misery in so many ways including early death.

[smudge]

Meanwhile - back on topic You can be sure that if "Big Tobacco" starts to see a significant drop in revenue due to the success of e-cigs, the whole industry will be regulated, taxed etc before you can blink.

[lobeydosser]

Because, because, because.
The vaping community is small and, at the moment, free, or at least free to choose how we inhale our nicotine.
But, apart from NRT Patches, more people are vaping than using all the other NRT Products put together and that is costing the pharmaceutical companies a lot of money. It is their backing of the eu commisioners that is the driving force behind this proposed ban.

They do not give a damm about your health or anything else. Their driving force is money and profit. Nothing else.
No doubt the tobacco companies are behind this too.

As a community all we can do is protest and sign petitions.

Oh and stock up for the inevitable.

[lobeydosser]

<<< What seems likely is not a ban on ecigs as such, but a ban on so called "unregulated" ecigs. Meaning, you will need a license to produce the filled cartos. What they seem to want to ban is eliquid in bottles and the sale of nicotine base.>>>

An American on VTTV was talking about this and he thinks that at least in some states in the USA, laws are about to be brought in banning all e-cigs except those sold as Cigalikes but they must not look like cigarettes (daft or what!) but must not be white and the end on glow red.
They must only be sold with sealed cartos made by the manufacturer and they must not be above 24mg in strength.

This could severely restrict what we import from the USA.

[giles]

Dec 6, 2012 21:32:52 GMT lobeydosser said:

if at the end of 5 years I end up the dinosaur of the vaping world, at least I will be a Contented Dinosaur.

I like "Contented Dinosaur". If I didn't think I might have to get angry about this stuff one day I'd use it for my avatar caption.

[giles]

But, if you are stocking up against armageddon:

Forget the ego/riva stuff, think 18650's. Get lots, spare chargers. Tin mods. spare parts for tin mods. Instruction manual for building tin mods. Rebuildables of your choice. Wire, wick (can't sell that stuff- might get bought by terrorists). Mesh, if you are into mesh. Think about how you would build a rebuildable from scratch, buy any parts that might not be available. PG. VG (lobey, they are really not going to ban glycerine. Even Stalin couldn't have banned glycerine. At worst they'll legislate that it has to be pink, like he did for butter). Flavours, particularly tobacco, obviously. Syringes. Bottles. Spare freezers to keep the nic in. Shotgun to keep the rest of us from stealing all this stuff from you.