Vaping for the next 5 years

[hifistud]

Dec 6, 2012 22:52:17 GMT smudge said:

Meanwhile - back on topic You can be sure that if "Big Tobacco" starts to see a significant drop in revenue due to the success of e-cigs, the whole industry will be regulated, taxed etc before you can blink.

It's not Big Tobacco that's the problem - it's Big Pharma. Big Tobacco owns all the tobacco farms, so get to supply the nicotine, whether it be to Pharma or to e-juice makers, so what they don't sell in smokes, they'll sell in patches and juice - they don't lose.

The big "enemy" is Big Pharma - currently, e-cigs are neck and neck with OTC NRT kit in terms of revenue, and will overtake within three months - this adversely affects BP's bottom line - moreso if the likes of NICE and MHRA and EU endorse e-cigs without restriction. So guess who is behind all this nonsense... It ain't Big Tobacco...

[timnowvapes]

this is a quote from Clive Bates

Here’s what I think should happen:
The ban on smokeless oral tobacco is unjustified, illegal, harmful to health and represents a denial of consumer and human rights. It should be lifted without delay.
The Commission, member states and elements of the public health community should not misuse the science of smokeless tobacco and harm reduction or use the SCENIHR report to justify a ban on a sub-category of smokeless tobacco. The science does not justify any ban on these products while cigarettes remain widely available and while more hazardous forms of smokeless tobacco is sold freely.
Smokeless tobacco forms part of a ‘harm reduction’ market for lower risk alternatives to smoking – this could be an important market commercially in future, and if it does become sizeable, it will have considerable health benefits by reducing smoking. The EU could facilitate development of this market by setting standards for toxins present in smokeless tobacco placed on the market in the EU.
To balance the market in favour of reduced risk products, governments should consider favourable excise tax treatment, relative to smoked tobacco, for nicotine products with greatly reduced risk, and allow meaningful risk communication through product marketing.
The public health community should be honest about the relative risks of smokeless tobacco and smoking, take an evidence-based approach to policy, and adjust its posture towards harm reduction strategies accordingly. It is lethally irresponsible to mislead smokers about less hazardous alternatives to smoking.

www.clivebates.com/?p=434

[vapee]

They cant possibly start banning ecigs now that theyve gone and legalised weed in washington
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20621210
'Marijuana decriminalised in Washington state'

They even have a pic with packages of it with a $12 price tag in view lol
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20346431

[timnowvapes]

Smoke weed in america, smoke tobacco in the UK, binge drink all you like, sup as much caffeine as you like - but no, you can't give up smoking using the safe ability to Vape

We must see this as totally sensible and do what the goverment and our friendly Euro politicians see as necessary, they obviously know what's best for us.

.....welcome to earth.

[vapee]

lol tru, I will be laughing when they finally admit that vaping was completely safe after all
thing is do they really expect anyone to wait for years for them to come to that conclusion and continue to smoke regular cigs

[timnowvapes]

Yes, because the pharma companies make profit, and they make duty on tobacco revenue, if it means you die quicker then that's even better for profit.

We humans are just a money farm, spend, get addicted to stuff, pay more for the privilege, die quicker.

Nothing to do with entrepreneurship for small vaping or large vaping businesses, or choice for the consumer to choose a product to help live a healthier life style.

If they can get away with killing 11000 people on benefits, they can get away with killing off smokers, or even ex smokers quicker. This is what we voted for, this is our democracy working brilliantly.

[vapee]

Thats true, maybe the main problem is it isnt harmful enough so big pharma wont be so big anymore.

[lobeydosser]

Dec 7, 2012 2:02:01 GMT giles said:

But, if you are stocking up against armageddon:

Forget the ego/riva stuff, think 18650's. Get lots, spare chargers. Tin mods. spare parts for tin mods. Instruction manual for building tin mods. Rebuildables of your choice. Wire, wick (can't sell that stuff- might get bought by terrorists). Mesh, if you are into mesh. Think about how you would build a rebuildable from scratch, buy any parts that might not be available. PG. VG (lobey, they are really not going to ban glycerine. Even Stalin couldn't have banned glycerine. At worst they'll legislate that it has to be pink, like he did for butter). Flavours, particularly tobacco, obviously. Syringes. Bottles. Spare freezers to keep the nic in. Shotgun to keep the rest of us from stealing all this stuff from you.

I know this is tongue in cheek, but if the banning is as rigid as it is going to be in some states in the USA, then you are not far off the mark.

99% of Joe Public is as far out in their thinking of e-cigs as the EU Comission and we cannot expect any support from that sector.
What it will come down to in the end is common sense against money and if we think of third world countries governments as corrupt, boy you aint seen nothin' yet!!!!!