Totally Wicked's nic content debate

[Chrissie]

I know that both myself & Tetsab have queried one of the TW lab reports that showed the nic content of their 36mg juice.

The lab report in question.
www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/about-the-fluid/lab-reports.html

Pillbox replied to my query on an ECF thread, by saying the answer was in a thread on his forum. When I eventually located the thread he was referring to, I wasn't convinced by the theory.

forum.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/index.php?topic=2374.0

So I have found this thread on ECF very interesting. OK I don't understand everything that the 2 chemists are discussing, but it is fairly easy to see the results they have come up with.

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/42512-has-anybody-read-totally-wicked.html

[Scylla]

That was agony Chrissie I'll thank you to keep me safe

Having said that, I'm such a cheapskate, I buy up anything "on offer" telling myself that it can't be as bad as tobacco

scylla

[Chrissie]

Lol, the same here Scylla

I've got a bit more time than I had this morning when i did that OP, so I'll go & try & find a couple of links to the lab report & the TW thread I mentioned. Then add them to my opening post.

I know Tetsy is very interested in this issue as to whether TW juices really do contain the amount of nicotine they claim they do. The lab report was on a bottle of 38mg & it looked like the lab where saying they only found 18mg in the juice.

[keef]

Scylla I too found the thread on the ECF hard to decipher but we will see where it goes.

I dont cut liquid or use the x high so it really does not effect me but for what its worth I find their 11mg liquid has more Kick to it than anyone elses 16mg and even some of the 18mg I have tried.

I am still of the opinion that someone in the lab messed up and mistook the 18mg sample for the 36mg one or someone from TW sent them the wrong strength liquid to begin with.

[Chrissie]

Keef, I also think a mistake was made somewhere along the line re that lab report.

[Scylla]

Oct 13, 2009 23:41:59 GMT keef said:

I dont cut liquid

Neither do I, so both my glycerine and PG are just sitting here

I haven't found a juice that's flavoursome enough to sustain diluting.

scylla

[Tetsab]

Chrissie, thanks so much for alerting us to this debate reopening! This has to be one of the best ECF threads I've seen for ages, and well worth reading the whole lot if you can stand it.

I was fairly astonished that hardly anyone else seemed too bothered about this at the time when we first noticed it. And the presence of two chemists who have carried out a number of tests themselves is a huge step forward. It's also a relief to see that this has now been raised in the TW forum without the posters being attacked for daring to suggest anything about TW might be less than perfect.

If Jason genuinely gets on the case about this (as it sounds as if he is) then hopefully it will get properly sorted out. I do NOT envy his Chinese supplier right now!

[Chrissie]

I knew you would be interested Tetsy


Lol, I also don't envy Jason's supplier right now

[ckc]

I'll read that thread but i too had a TW bottle marked High(which is 18mg) and 36mg,it should have been 36mg, it did nothing for me,this is when i was desperately trying to kick the analogues. I bought a 36mg from somewhere else and it dam near blew my head off

2 days on that and my cigs where history.....never bought juice from TW again......until his recent birthday sale and then i bought the Ice which i've yet to try.

I think some 18mg made it into 36mg bottles.

[Chrissie]

Crazy, one of the things that has puzzled me is that some TW 36mg bottles are labelled as "High" & others as "Super High" Jason shrugged that off on his forum saying all 36mg are just labelled as "High" (not true)

Going back some time, after lots of people recommended TW french Pipe to me, I bought a bottle & it tasted like vaping Galaxy chocolate (I'm far from being a chocaholic) I mentioned this on the TW forum & my post was ignored. Hopefully though, Jason is now taking note that there are problems with his supplier.

Should just add though that I do think that TW juices have the strongest flavour - as long as you get sent the right flavour! Though the majority of time they are spot on.

[airman]

i wanted to buy from TW but he sell so expensive and i do not why?I know he is trying to make profit aswell but compare to others .....

[Chrissie]

I agree Airman, his juices are expensive but not so bad when he has sales on.

[airman]

i do not know how come and he sells so much,i understand he has good presentations which counts but people can try other makes as well

[Scylla]

TW got his juices tested and had special labels made before many of the other suppliers, so I suppose he had more overheads to cover. I don't buy his juices because they're more expensive - I didn't buy when he had his birthday sale because my post is so bad I might not get it.

scylla

[Tetsab]

I reckon Jason's prices tend to reflect that we have been paying for his branding, promotional materials, snazzy website etc for quite some time now. Unfortunately somewhere along the line either he took his eye off the ball or the Chinese supplier did, with the result that having established a reputation for a premium product which was selling well, the quality of that product is now in question.

I do think it is worth pointing out that other suppliers such as Intellicig and Simon at e-cigs.co.uk have also been branded and CHIP compliant for longer than TW but without the hefty premium on their products. Consumers DO notice these things and aren't always going to be automatically happy about paying for a name unless they really feel the value is there.

Confidence and loyalty can only be earned, not bought.