Phoenix dripper

[Balllsy]

It's all about finding the right balance yes we can buy most of our stuff from china but our local vendors also offer us an excellent service. Far better in my opinion than in other sale areas.

All the vendors I have used for vaping paraphernalia have exceeded my service expectations and most give quite a personal service which encourages me to return.

It would be terrible to be left with just the Chinese option as we would have to wait for weeks for every thing. and have the hassle of sending faulty items across the sea all the time

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Feb 1, 2013 23:38:18 GMT Balllsy said:

It's all about finding the right balance yes we can buy most of our stuff from china but our local vendors also offer us an excellent service. Far better in my opinion than in other sale areas.

All the vendors I have used for vaping paraphernalia have exceeded my service expectations and most give quite a personal service which encourages me to return.

It would be terrible to be left with just the Chinese option as we would have to wait for weeks for every thing. and have the hassle of sending faulty items across the sea all the time

I agree and thats why I think there will always be a UK vendor market. Probably the service is so good because they are vapers as well and understand their customers better than other industries.

[skipraider]

Feb 1, 2013 23:27:34 GMT skipraider said:

Feb 1, 2013 23:24:49 GMT @ashmal said:

google maps doesn't show the interior though ... :-)

Very good, anything constructive?

Sly pun there....
But seriously, in the light of all the threat of regulation would it not be better to stifle these backyard mixers now?

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Feb 1, 2013 23:41:28 GMT skipraider said:

Feb 1, 2013 23:27:34 GMT skipraider said:

Very good, anything constructive?

Sly pun there....
But seriously, in the light of all the threat of regulation would it not be better to stifle these backyard mixers now?

I'd agree. We can't harp on about how safe it is to vape if our own industry has bad habits

[Balllsy]

I can't imagine too many of our quality juice vendors working from a laboratory ? More like a garden shed or spare room. so they would mostly be "Homemade" ?

[Ratfinkz]

Grant, Grizwald, Pixie, Alchemist. Do they all mix in labs or are they based at home? Not that I dont trust any of them, am perfectly happy to buy from all I'm simply curious as to whether we'd have any of our most loved e juices available if this became regulation.

As for the China thing I'm like Karma in that I do both. China I only use for items I cant justify (afford) paying UK price for, althogh if I order something from china I'll have a look and see what else they have.
Most of the time though I buy from the UK. There are several reasons for this, it's alot to do with wanting to support them, the fab service we get, the friendliness of the vendors and how much they interact in the UK vaping scene (posting on forums, sponsoring VTTV etc etc etc), the help and advice they offer. Its also to do with wanting things NOW or ASAP anyhow. Not wanting to wait a week or two til I get my hands on it!

The only benefit China offers compared to all the above is price - which unfortunately sometimes outweighs the UK's benefits.

BTW I must admit that I had no idea you were meant to pay import tax unless you get a bill. How do you even go about doing that?

[Gordy]

Feb 2, 2013 0:29:46 GMT Ratfinkz said:

BTW I must admit that I had no idea you were meant to pay import tax unless you get a bill. How do you even go about doing that?

by law the foreign vendor should fill in a customs form and declare the true value of the package ...most of the time they dont... some even lie and declare a small amount to cheat the system

[womble]

Do the juice vendors have to be visited by food inspectors and given a hygiene rating? I think they should and I do think that those who make juice to sell, or even dilute juice should have some sort of regulation.

[VE Jason]

Feb 2, 2013 9:51:35 GMT womble said:

Do the juice vendors have to be visited by food inspectors and given a hygiene rating? I think they should and I do think that those who make juice to sell, or even dilute juice should have some sort of regulation.

No they don't...at least not at the moment.

It's more about the vendors/mixers doing it off their own bat and using due diligence.

I took a food hygiene course myself last year, not because I was doing any mixing, but more so that I could understand the requirements.

It's much the same as product liability insurance - it's not a legal requirement, but we feel safer with it and it offers the customer some extra assurance.

A condition of the insurance is that the liquids sold are regularly GCMS tested and nicotine assay tested - again very expensive, but necessary.

The only way forward is to be ahead of the regulators IMO.

[Karma]

good to know Jason

What brought the issue of 'homemade juice vendors' home to me was....

...... a now vendor, who shall remain nameless, was posting on the old UKV wanting help for first time mixing, this person also wanted reasurance that they wouldn't poison themselves with the nicotine base!

2 weeks later, they set up as a vendor selling their creations

[nom]

Feb 2, 2013 21:05:52 GMT Karma said:

good to know Jason

What brought the issue of 'homemade juice vendors' home to me was....

...... a now vendor, who shall remain nameless, was posting on the old UKV wanting help for first time mixing, this person also wanted reasurance that they wouldn't poison themselves with the nicotine base!

2 weeks later, they set up as a vendor selling their creations

scary tbh..

[Karma]

Indeed Nom, very scarey!

[womble]

Feb 2, 2013 20:39:32 GMT VE Jason said:

No they don't...at least not at the moment.

It's more about the vendors/mixers doing it off their own bat and using due diligence.

I took a food hygiene course myself last year, not because I was doing any mixing, but more so that I could understand the requirements.

It's much the same as product liability insurance - it's not a legal requirement, but we feel safer with it and it offers the customer some extra assurance.

A condition of the insurance is that the liquids sold are regularly GCMS tested and nicotine assay tested - again very expensive, but necessary.

The only way forward is to be ahead of the regulators IMO.

That's great Jason and it's good to see a vendor being open about it. The more the better IMO.

Personally if I was in insurance and someone wanted me to insure them to mix eliquids, I would be very very careful.

[womble]

Feb 2, 2013 21:05:52 GMT Karma said:

good to know Jason

What brought the issue of 'homemade juice vendors' home to me was....

...... a now vendor, who shall remain nameless, was posting on the old UKV wanting help for first time mixing, this person also wanted reasurance that they wouldn't poison themselves with the nicotine base!

2 weeks later, they set up as a vendor selling their creations

Worrying .... !

The pace of change in the ecig business is astounding, what was ok a year ago, is rapidly becoming unsafe and amateur practice.

I can only see regulation being introduced to clear it up, although people like Jason will already be ahead of the curve by the sound of it.

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Feb 2, 2013 21:05:52 GMT Karma said:

good to know Jason

What brought the issue of 'homemade juice vendors' home to me was....

...... a now vendor, who shall remain nameless, was posting on the old UKV wanting help for first time mixing, this person also wanted reasurance that they wouldn't poison themselves with the nicotine base!

2 weeks later, they set up as a vendor selling their creations

Eek!