EU Libary Briefing

[MarkS]

Seems the language is changing over at the EU Parliament going on this Library Briefing published.
www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/bibliotheque/briefing/2013/130494/LDM_BRI%282013%29130494_REV1_EN.pdf

They finally concede e-cigs are less harmful than tobacco and are not tobacco, but they still want them to go down the MA route.

This gives us focus. We now know we only have to convince them they are not NRT nor medicine.

[matt1988]

Clive Bates was quoted in the middle there, he is a anti-tobacco campaigner saying these should be a consumer product but with stricter guidlines.

I fully agree this is the way to go, just ensure what is going in the liquid is correct, make sure all the bottles have a child safety cap (pretty much all of them are already ( but make it official)) and generally increase how stringent the testing is (but not to the extent of medicinal testing).

I think that would be a fair and totally safe compromise. Yes the price will go up a bit, but that's nothing in comparison to it warranting a medicinal certificate.

[MarkS]

Apr 5, 2013 17:38:20 GMT matt1988 said:

Clive Bates was quoted in the middle there, he is a anti-tobacco campaigner saying these should be a consumer product but with stricter guidlines.

I fully agree this is the way to go, just insure what is going in is right, make sure all bottles are child safety capped (pretty much all are I think ( but make it official)) and generally up how stringent the testing is.

I think that would be a fair and totally safe comprise. Yes the price will go up a bit, but if that's nothing in comparison.

You think electronic cigarettes should be regulated as medicine? Are you sick then?

It would be a catastrophe for electronic cigarettes to be regulated as a medicinal product and would see the death of vaping as we know it.
It would also mean many would be put out of business over night and vaping costs would go through the roof. Only the big pharmacuetical companies would be able to afford the certification necessary.
Juice would only be available in pre-sealed cartomisers from the chemists and you would not be able to buy nicotine juice to mix your own as it would no longer be available.
I can understand why on the surface you may think it is a good idea, but those who vape really need to look under the surface of what it would actually entail.

Clive Bates is a firm supporter of our cause and if interested you should follow his blog. www.clivebates.com

Personally I do not see myself as sick and I'm not medicating.

[matt1988]

Apr 5, 2013 18:31:30 GMT MarkS said:

Apr 5, 2013 17:38:20 GMT matt1988 said:

Clive Bates was quoted in the middle there, he is a anti-tobacco campaigner saying these should be a consumer product but with stricter guidlines.

I fully agree this is the way to go, just insure what is going in is right, make sure all bottles are child safety capped (pretty much all are I think ( but make it official)) and generally up how stringent the testing is.

I think that would be a fair and totally safe comprise. Yes the price will go up a bit, but if that's nothing in comparison.

You think electronic cigarettes should be regulated as medicine? Are you sick then?

It would be a catastrophe for electronic cigarettes to be regulated as a medicinal product and would see the death of vaping as we know it.
It would also mean many would be put out of business over night and vaping costs would go through the roof. Only the big pharmacuetical companies would be able to afford the certification necessary.
Juice would only be available in pre-sealed cartomisers from the chemists and you would not be able to buy nicotine juice to mix your own as it would no longer be available.
I can understand why on the surface you may think it is a good idea, but those who vape really need to look under the surface of what it would actually entail.

Clive Bates is a firm supporter of our cause and if interested you should follow his blog. www.clivebates.com

Personally I do not see myself as sick and I'm not medicating.

I think you have mis-understood. I never once said I want it as a medicinal product. I said they should be a consumer product, but woth some tighter guidlines.

I think I'm right in saying every member on here doesn't want Joe Bloggs somewhere putting who knows what into something we are about to vape, or taking shortcuts on producing cartos or clearomisers that would make them dangerous.

So what I'm saying is have stricter guidlines. So in between where we are now and it being a medicinal product.

EDIT: I have now edited my first response to make it clearer in what I was saying to avoid further confusion.

[MarkS]

Ahh ok sorry Matt. When you said you agreed with it I thought you meant the library Brief which wants electronic cigarettes regulated as NRT's, which are medicinal products.

Regulations are already in place to make sure your juice isn't toxic and it has in it what it says it has.

All mechanical products have to meet safety standards too and it seems most manufacturers of both appliances and juice meet these as I've not read one case of anyone being poisoned from anything. If they had I'm more than certain the whole world would know about it.

There have only been 9 Rapex reports over the last 5 years and most of those are to do with dodgy chargers and one in regards to juice not having the correct level of nicotine and even that report is pretty vague in detail.

I don't think there is any need for more regulation, just to make sure the regulations already in place are enforced.

You will never have 100% safety and compliance regardless of what regulation it falls under though. Just look at the recent food scandals for that and the fact that big Pharma companies have paid out billions in fines for promoting products as safe when they had no right to do so. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8234533.stm

[matt1988]

Sorry yes that's what I meant, the regs are in place, but aren't being tested as regularly as they probably should be.

Also the law should be over 18 to buy them, and no advertising on TV before 8pm. I think the main grey area is vaping in a public place. I think if we get it passed as a consumer product, I think the law will change in line with smoking, which is annoying but hey, at least we will be able to vape still.

The other option will be that it's a medicinal product and that will mean if they ban e-cigs they would have to ban sprays and those types of NRT's. But lets be honest, a large amount of places don't allow e-cigs to be used indoors.

It's a fine line but if that's the outcome there could be far far worse eventualities.

[kibbster]

Apr 5, 2013 19:05:06 GMT MarkS said:

Ahh ok sorry Matt. When you said you agreed with it I thought you meant the library Brief which wants electronic cigarettes regulated as NRT's, which are medicinal products.

Regulations are already in place to make sure your juice isn't toxic and it has in it what it says it has.

All mechanical products have to meet safety standards too and it seems most manufacturers of both appliances and juice meet these as I've not read one case of anyone being poisoned from anything. If they had I'm more than certain the whole world would know about it.

There have only been 9 Rapex reports over the last 5 years and most of those are to do with dodgy chargers and one in regards to juice not having the correct level of nicotine and even that report is pretty vague in detail.

I don't think there is any need for more regulation, just to make sure the regulations already in place are enforced.

You will never have 100% safety and compliance regardless of what regulation it falls under though. Just look at the recent food scandals for that and the fact that big Pharma companies have paid out billions in fines for promoting products as safe when they had no right to do so. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8234533.stm

Without further regulation how do they justify their jobs though ;-)