NJoy King launches in the UK this month.

[Darkginger]

They might now! LOL! Nothing wrong with holding two opposing opinions at the same time, I do it most days!

[djs]

At least if people try these and don't want to self-commit themselves to the loony bin (like....well, you know......) then I'm happy.

I'm sure the EU won't see it that way though. It will be massive canon fodder.

[MarkS]

I've always have and always will maintain that cig-a-likes have an important place on the market. Like it or not at first the majority who are lead into vaping do not want an evic or vamo or even an eGo. So they are tempted in by using a cig-a-like.
At first many of them do see it can work and then look for a better alternative. I see that in the beginners forum all the time.

I do think there is a kind of inverted snobbery from vaper enthusiasts that makes them look down on cig-a-likes in a similar fashion that ex-smokers look down on smokers.

There is of course the negative aspect too in the sense that they cause supposed confusion by how they look and provide ammo for the antz. I personally think that is a very weak argument on their part. Just because they look like a cigarette from afar, it doesn't take a science degree to see that they aren't up close.

As for the 48mg that will be inside the njoy, it will mean it's used less by most because they will get the satisfaction they require in fewer hits.
Not my cup of tea being someone who vapes 18mg, but it's horses for courses.

Njoy are a huge company in the states with a huge customer base. They are the ones who have been advertising on TV and running magazine ads. If they take off here then it will mean many more people vaping and if they work because of the 48mg nic in them, it will mean many more vapers who will be very pee'd off that the EU plans to regulate them to the point of uselessness.

Maybe I am just an optimist, but I think there are many positives, along with a few negatives that are not backed up by facts by the Antz, in Njoy joining the UK market.

If we do win with the EU then vaping as we know it will change forever. Companies like Njoy are just the tip of a very large iceberg that will be heading our way.

[matt1988]

As I say MarkS maybe I'm just being melodramatic and we should welcome this, and maybe they will use their expertise in law and background,(in fighting the US government on the same issue) to help fight the EU. That is of course if they decide to move to the UK market.

I do still think MEP's will look at the 45mg/ml and think, "I thought the average is 18mg and this company has almost the majority of the US market. So will the the norm become 45mg not 18?"

[lobeydosser]

I started on the Skycig system and was on it for 6 weeks, allbeit the last 2 weeks on 24mg fill it myself e-juice.
It was only during that final 2 weeks that I went 100% vaping.

And yes I too was horrified when I heard of folks regularily vaping 36mg and 45mg. However when I tried 36mg, I realised that I was vaping a lot less but still well content and I now see it as having its place in my e-juice tray.

Now we may well think that 36 & 45 mg are a bit on the heavy side, but if you go onto Nicorete Gum to curb your Nicotine withdrawels as you try to stop smoking, the 4mg Gum that you use, the advice is not to chew more than 15 gums in any one day. That is 60mg A DAY!!!!

So it is okay for BP to hold us to a low MG level but equally okay for them to advise their customers to use a high dosage.
Not!

[matt1988]

How much of that 60mg is absorbed into the body? That's like saying 36mg/ml at 3 ml a day is a whopping 108mg day.
That is assuming that those using 36mg is also using the average amount of juice a day.

Edit: When used properly, 3mg is absorbed in a 4mg gum. So your 60mg is reduced to 40mg. But I see your point!

[lobeydosser]

As far as I know, with Nicorette Gum, by its very nature, all of its nicotine is absorbed in the body.

However, according to the research I have seen, only 60% of vaped nicotine is absorbed, so that 24mg at 3ml per day is 43.2mg per day.
At 36mg @ 3ml is 64.8mg. Roughly the same a Nicorette Gum.

Having tried both Nicorette Gum and Vaping, I think that these figures are near enough correct.

[matt1988]

Apr 18, 2013 0:23:19 GMT lobeydosser said:

As far as I know, with Nicorette Gum, by its very nature, all of its nicotine is absorbed in the body.

However, according to the research I have seen, only 60% of vaped nicotine is absorbed, so that 24mg at 3ml per day is 43.2mg per day.
At 36mg @ 3ml is 64.8mg. Roughly the same a Nicorette Gum.

Having tried both Nicorette Gum and Vaping, I think that these figures are near enough correct.

And one is medicated, the other isn't but both inject the same amount of nicotine into the body.

However medicinal certification of e-cigs will destroy them. The best thing going for e-cigs is the availability. You stop that and it will end up like any other NRT's. An almost complete failure! But it's not an NRT, we are not giving up nicotine it is a substitute for tobacco!

[lobeydosser]

Hi Matt, we are both on the same side here, though perhaps looking at it from different angles.

I am 66 years of age. I have smoked for 50 years and I have been trying to stop smoking on and off for the past 15 years.
I have now stopped trying to stop smoking.

I have no intention of any Sprout in Brussels or Westminster telling me what I can and cannot do and as far as I am concerned the only good thing about this Directive is that it is giving me enough time to build up a stash of anything that I think they will ban.

There is already a Policy before the Scottish Parliament that will ban smoking (and probably Vaping) in any public place by 2020. Now whether that includes outside or not, I do not yet know. I do know that anything like this that happens in Scotland will in time be passed by Westminster as well.

As far as I am concerned, anything that I do that does not interfere with another person's rights and freedoms, is okay.
It is just a pity that those in Public Service and Government do not hold by the same principles.

[giles]

At least it may make them realise that 4mg is stupid.

[djs]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.
Unless I am way off the mark, look-a-likes tend to use low power batteries and high resistance cartomisers. This means very little vapour is produced.
I even tried an "old" E-Lite the other month; fully charged with a brand new refill and almost no vapour was produced.
The mini e-cigs are all trying (and mostly failing) to make the puff count go as far as possible within the boundaries of sanity (although some are simply lying beyond the boundaries of logic). If I could have puffed 5 times on an Njoy and then put it away for an hour, I would have been over the moon.....
45mg in a mini is surely NOT the same as 45mg in a VV device pumping out huge vapour at 9 watts.

I'll buy one, why not?

[MarkS]

Apr 17, 2013 23:13:39 GMT matt1988 said:

As I say MarkS maybe I'm just being melodramatic and we should welcome this, and maybe they will use their expertise in law and background,(in fighting the US government on the same issue) to help fight the EU. That is of course if they decide to move to the UK market.

I do still think MEP's will look at the 45mg/ml and think, "I thought the average is 18mg and this company has almost the majority of the US market. So will the the norm become 45mg not 18?"

I don't think 45mg will become the norm for seasoned vapours matt1988, but maybe for cig-a-likes if the njoys are proven to be popular.
As @djs pointed out in his last post their performance cannot be as good as even an eGo battery due to their very nature in terms of battery size and carto resistance.

The only thing with this I am truly wary of is what Njoy's stance is on flavourings and electronic cigarettes being classed as tobacco products.
If anyone knows this information then please point me in the direction of the source as I am finding it hard sourcing any information on where they may stand via my own searches.

[lobeydosser]

I have always held the view that Cig-a-likes are not aimed at Vapers.
They are aimed at smokers who want a substitute for the cigarettes that they are not allowed to smoke in certain areas. Therefore, the nearer they are to the taste and nicotine satisfaction of a cigarette, the better.

The fact that most vapers start off their vaping hobby from using cig-a-likes and want more of the same thing but better, is purely coincidence.

[samasri]

I tried and tested NJoy king when a friend shipped it over from the states. Firstly has way to much nicotine and didn't even last very long, so i wasn't pleased with that. But the packaging is really good also the build quality of the e-cig is also good. I prefer a standard 18mg amount of nicotine in my e-cigs, i really can't see NJoy's amount pleasing UK customers. 

I've recently starting vaping  link deleted by Karma  And i must say these are value for money in every way due to the fact that you get 5 e-cigs in a cigarette box. The vape on them is really smooth and nice with each e-cig giving you 300puffs approx. Now that's something worth a try. 

[Karma]

samasri there are much superior and cheaper e-cig options than the ones you linked to. You don't happen to be affiliated with the company do you?