Long awaited MHRA announcement

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Jun 12, 2013 21:42:52 GMT oldsmokey said:

Forgive my ignorance but who is/are TW?

I spent much of my childhood in Kent - 'TW' meant Tunbridge Wells'

I'm assuming it's not 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells'....

Totally-Wicked, or They Who Shall Not Be Named ... or Voldemort

[oldsmokey]

Jun 12, 2013 21:44:40 GMT @ashmal said:

Jun 12, 2013 21:42:52 GMT oldsmokey said:

Forgive my ignorance but who is/are TW?

I spent much of my childhood in Kent - 'TW' meant Tunbridge Wells'

I'm assuming it's not 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells'....

Totally-Wicked, or They Who Shall Not Be Named ... or Voldemort

Thank you!

[GunJack]

ECITA response for was it Dolly or womble who couldn't find it.

www.ecita.org.uk/blog/?p=595

[matt1988]

GunJack I thought it was a pretty good post, a bit ranty, but shows your passion. Which I think mine lacked.

I can copy my reply, but if your interested, here's the article again, and my post is the first

scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/06/12/licensing-e-cigarettes-opportunities-and-risks/?utm_source=twitter_cr_uk&utm_medium=cruksocialmedia&utm_campaign=owntwitter_tweet

Edit: The link was referenced for those that have not seen it, and not at gunjack

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 12, 2013 21:42:52 GMT oldsmokey said:

Forgive my ignorance but who is/are TW?

I spent much of my childhood in Kent - 'TW' meant Tunbridge Wells'

I'm assuming it's not 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells'....

Totally Wicked are a large ECIG business who also franchise.
They fell out with another UK vape forum and tried to get them shut down. Was just before I started vaping so don't know the intricacies of it.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 12, 2013 21:49:48 GMT GunJack said:

ECITA response for was it Dolly or womble who couldn't find it.

www.ecita.org.uk/blog/?p=595

Thanks hun xx

[GunJack]

no probs Doll

[mrclive]

I know nothing of mixing my own, not even where to get nic base! I'll just keep buying bottles of premixed and storing them.

It really just smacks of "let's tax it, it's worth money!". We've all kicked the ciggies, no longer a drain on nhs funds, but they still can't leave us alone. Truly gutted!

[charlie]

Courts in Germany and the Netherlands ruled against local health authorities (like the MHRA) on the basis that nicotine is not medicinal. I'm not myself a lawyer, but I think the UK courts would take member state precedents into account when making a ruling.

has anyone contacted the UK regulatory policy committee which has already censured MHRA's bid to reclassify nicotine as a medicinal product?

regulatorypolicycommittee.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MHRA-Nicotine-Containing-Products-final-opinion-for-publication.pdf

[dragon]

Nicotine is already classed as a medicinal product in Denmark, but so are vitamins. Basic food products with added vitamins can't be sold here. There are a few loop holes, but a lot of things are illegal to sell, including (as previously/mournfully stated) marmite (they add b vitamins)

Yet I can buy vitamin supplements over the counter....

Effectively the ban on nicotine e liquid was in place long before the first cave man rubbed 2 sticks together and dripped some pg onto them.

I admit that there is nothing the danes like more, than irritating and pointless rules, but it does show that it can be done, because it has been done.

[andym]

Jun 13, 2013 11:49:30 GMT dragon said:

Yet I can buy vitamin supplements over the counter....

If i were you i wouldnt buy ANY Vitamin over the counter.For Example the press has been inundated with stories about Vitamin D.In tests,OTC Vit D can vary from between 0% to 750% of the labelled amount of Vit D.Vit D is actually a STEROIDICAL HORMONE!There are Dr's out there injecting massive doses of VitD into patients in UK.There is NO liscensed Injectable Vit D available in UK that has been passed by the MHRA!!!!!There is only ONE prescribable Oral Vit D available in UK!How do i know this?Cos i am a Drugs Rep and sell the damn stuff,and NO i dont side with either NICE or the MHRA.I personally feel that these institutions are not Objective or IMPARTIAL when it comes to certain Drug Companies and Organisations such as the Tobacco and drinks Industry!!

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Good read ... blog.casaa.org/2013/06/mhra-decision-on-e-cigarettes-casaas.html

[brads42]

Nice one from the Institute of Economic Affairs "“The MHRA's decision will stifle innovation, raise prices and lead to a black market in potentially lethal nicotine fluids amongst existing e-cigarette users. In the short term, e-cigarettes will have to be taken off the market, potentially for years and possibly forever. In the meantime, most of the UK's one million e-cigarette users will return to smoking cigarettes. The only winners will be the tobacco industry and the pharmaceutical industry.”
www.iea.org.uk/in-the-media/press-release/iea-criticises-mhra-decision-to-regulate-e-cigarettes-as-medical-products

[matt1988]

Jun 13, 2013 23:20:08 GMT brads42 said:

Nice one from the Institute of Economic Affairs "“The MHRA's decision will stifle innovation, raise prices and lead to a black market in potentially lethal nicotine fluids amongst existing e-cigarette users. In the short term, e-cigarettes will have to be taken off the market, potentially for years and possibly forever. In the meantime, most of the UK's one million e-cigarette users will return to smoking cigarettes. The only winners will be the tobacco industry and the pharmaceutical industry.”
www.iea.org.uk/in-the-media/press-release/iea-criticises-mhra-decision-to-regulate-e-cigarettes-as-medical-products

Ahh that's where it was. I mentioned that in another thread, but couldn't remember where I read it. It's a good article, but they got their facts in a twist, with the paragraph you quoted, these won't be taken off the market until 2016. But even then we know there are some products 6-12 months away from being medicinalised.

[kibbster]

Jun 13, 2013 23:20:08 GMT brads42 said:

Nice one from the Institute of Economic Affairs "“The MHRA's decision will stifle innovation, raise prices and lead to a black market in potentially lethal nicotine fluids amongst existing e-cigarette users. In the short term, e-cigarettes will have to be taken off the market, potentially for years and possibly forever. In the meantime, most of the UK's one million e-cigarette users will return to smoking cigarettes. The only winners will be the tobacco industry and the pharmaceutical industry.”
www.iea.org.uk/in-the-media/press-release/iea-criticises-mhra-decision-to-regulate-e-cigarettes-as-medical-products

Someone is a vaper