Long awaited MHRA announcement

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Jun 12, 2013 12:12:22 GMT Jen said:

So what does the need for a medical license actually mean in real terms? Will the vendors we know and love today have to apply for one for just juices and bases, or devices as well? How much is one likely to cost and what kind of checks and monitoring will this involve?

Vendors are resellers of existing stuff. They would need to apply to be a reseller I'm guessing

Whatever they sell will have go through clinical trials in order to be sold ... legally. This is where the cost will be. Clinical trials can take a long time and cost a lot.

It'll mean also possible changes to packaging standards or at least enforcement of the existing standards in place

What we don't understand is what this will do to existing devices or whether it applies to just quality control of juice contents. Scope of "nicotine product" needs to be defined.

I think this will rumble on for some time ... I'd wait for the dust to settle before panicking

[markm]

TBH I don't think this has changed anything very much, unless and until some specifics become available
then they have just reiterated their perspective on the subject.

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Jun 12, 2013 12:13:59 GMT DiscoDes said:

Jun 12, 2013 12:12:22 GMT Jen said:

So what does the need for a medical license actually mean in real terms? Will the vendors we know and love today have to apply for one for just juices and bases, or devices as well? How much is one likely to cost and what kind of checks and monitoring will this involve?

You will only be able to get them in a Pharmacy

NOT GOOD NEWS.

Amazon sell nicorettes ...

[Roger]

Jun 12, 2013 12:15:27 GMT matt1988 said:

I guess we will still await their full proposal, as there is nothing set in stone, and the guardian articles says hope to be med regs by 2016

Exactly.  What we don't need is endless pages of speculation until we know what the proposals entail.  It may not be just available from pharmacies, it all depends on the licencing etc.

[matt1988]

it is hoped that in the long term all products will be licensed

from the guardian article

[DiscoDes]

I think people are missing the point here !

YOU WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO GET CIG-A-LIKES from a Pharmacy

They will cost £7.85 EACH for a DISPOSABLE probably OK this is wrong, but taxes will come in.

NO FLAVOURS other than Tobacco & possibly menthol

NO LIQUID - import/selling of nicotine base will be limited to heavily regulated suppliers - the cost will rocket.

Throw away all your MODS/TANKS/Cartos as you will not get anything to put in them

We are STUFFED! if this goes through!

GOODBYE E-Cigs as WE know them

[DiscoDes]

Jun 12, 2013 12:18:14 GMT @ashmal said:

Jun 12, 2013 12:13:59 GMT DiscoDes said:

You will only be able to get them in a Pharmacy

NOT GOOD NEWS.

Amazon sell nicorettes ...

They are not medicines.

[Jen]

I agree, @ashmal, it's very vague as yet. I can't say I'm opposed to quality control in vaping in general. Whilst most of us here have spent time and money to get what we assume are high-quality products, the 1000 or so of us regular member and 3000 lurkers don't necessarily represent the majority of the million-ish ecig-users in the UK. A cheap cigalike is not likely to be equivalent to a Vamo or [insert mod/topper of choice here]. What I am opposed to is reducing the availability and increasing the cost!

[Roger]

Jun 12, 2013 12:21:06 GMT DiscoDes said:

Jun 12, 2013 12:18:14 GMT @ashmal said:

Amazon sell nicorettes ...

They are not medicines.

They WILL be.

[robby]

and REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[markm]

And in two years time how many millions of users will there be in the UK?
I would hazard a guess at over 3M, they really cant make this fad go away that easily.

[zeldamum]

I had a customer phone right at the wrong moment whilst watching BBC news:(

[Jen]

Jun 12, 2013 12:21:06 GMT DiscoDes said:

Jun 12, 2013 12:18:14 GMT @ashmal said:

Amazon sell nicorettes ...

They are not medicines.

They are licensed though
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicorette

[fiddles]

I will quote from what I posted in another thread

For all I care ban e-cigarettes Ban Them NOW

This is total farce no mention on bbc website about e liquid plus I don't use e-cigs I use a personal vaperiser, are they going to ban all personal vaperisers just look in argos or do google search for vaperiser , I had one nearly 20 years ago used to moisten air when My eldest was suffering with whooping cough , what I have in my hand now is just portable version.

Like everything else in life its down to money they (goverments) would rather we carry on smoking as they don't really give a f**k about our health ,just about how much revenue they are losing

[DiscoDes]

Jun 12, 2013 12:22:41 GMT markm said:

And in two years time how many millions of users will there be in the UK?
I would hazard a guess at over 3M, they really cant make this fad go away that easily.

Their view will be that they have not made them "go away" but will force all the small vendors out of the market because of regulation.

They will then control the market and apply high taxes.