E-cigarettes to be BANNED in MHRA statement - READ THIS NOW!

[gibla53]

Engstrom and Fjellner are the 2 MEP connected with Taylor/Davies ammendments 1167-....

The 10 pages of MEP on ENVI as you rightly say includes substitutes .

It will be the whole ENVI committee that debates and votes

In your earlier post matt1988 you mentioned the scientific studies that MHRA were quoting 

If you look at the press release , there is a separate link to Nicotine Containing Products , then a whole raft of PDF docs are available 

One of which contains MHRA funded studies ( 44 page doc of 2 studies ) - in there contains the findings , largely concentrating on nic. content in liquids and inhalation-

The conclusions stated that e-cigs safe , same as in the risk assessment report looking at the consequences of certain actions (they have adopted the wrong one)

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Jun 12, 2013 23:25:02 GMT fred said:

Jun 12, 2013 23:22:22 GMT Blownupdolly said:

NICK GRIFFIN????? You can't be be serious?

Yep & that's a good thing for us - he's anti-anything-europe 

If he gets involved, there will only be white ecigs available

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 6:34:02 GMT @ashmal said:

Jun 12, 2013 23:25:02 GMT fred said:

Yep & that's a good thing for us - he's anti-anything-europe 

If he gets involved, there will only be white ecigs available

And he will pay the postage to send all the black ones back to their country of origin

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Jun 13, 2013 6:39:48 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Jun 13, 2013 6:34:02 GMT @ashmal said:

If he gets involved, there will only be white ecigs available

And he will pay the postage to send all the black ones back to their country of origin

where would he send the purple ones?

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 6:50:47 GMT @ashmal said:

Jun 13, 2013 6:39:48 GMT Blownupdolly said:

And he will pay the postage to send all the black ones back to their country of origin

where would he send the purple ones?

Gotta be Jens place stored in a secret bunker

[markm]

OK this is my interpretation.

1) MHRA have made it very clear they do not understand the current devices available. but they do
appreciate this so have a solution, they will redefine the problem.

2) they have created their own notion of what an e cigarette might be, and more importantly what
it is meant to do. They are determined it is a cessation device, not a harm reduction one, and which is probably
very similar to something currently in development by one or more farma co. they are possibly only
interested in a single, as yet non existent, product coming to market.

3) It is going to take about 2 1/2 years for said product to be ready to market, it will be the only acceptable
product in the MHRA new view on what an E cig is and what it is meant to do.

4) The current situation can continue as it is just a fad, growing the market for the NEW IMPROVED REDEFINED
big farma product is just a happy coincidence.

[Blownupdolly]

Maybe it is time to really start promoting all our various devices as nothing to do with Ecigs!!
We could send photos en mass to all concerned and ask them what they think is in the photo and when they say its an ECIG tell them NO!! It is a personal vaporiser and NOTHING to do with cigarettes in any capacity.
That should get them head scratching.

[Perpetua]

Jun 13, 2013 7:14:52 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Maybe it is time to really start promoting all our various devices as nothing to do with Ecigs!!
We could send photos en mass to all concerned and ask them what they think is in the photo and when they say its an ECIG tell them NO!! It is a personal vaporiser and NOTHING to do with cigarettes in any capacity.
That should get them head scratching.

And maybe wondering how they could regulate them Dolly . . . this decision hasn't been taken in our best interests, nor the potential future vapers either who've now had their choices for a healthier option to tobacco severely restricted.

Not to mention the implications the decision could have for Vendors whose livelihood depends upon the current and an expanding ecig market.

[markm]

I would love to know what kind of devices the free market will come up with by 2016,
but the MHRA will tell me they don't /wont work, not as they view "working".

[esmecullen]

...........yet another example of trying to restrict our choices without actually doing a complete study...........have they even spoken to vapers? I think not!!!!!!!!!

[markm]

I suspect that a big part of it is the "dose" issue.
they think the device needs to exactly meter the specific dose, and have that in turn marked on the packaging.
What they don't grasp is that the user is the regulator element, not enough, take more puffs until satisfied.
By the same principle they could take over water/food/coffee/tea/sunlight...........they are mad with power these people!

[Bluefish]

Oh yeah none of the current devices work, but I've not had even a puff of a tobacco cig since 1.5 days after trying a personal vapouriser, 14 months and counting. You will not get my money you Barons and EU parasites.

[pegasus]

Hmm the debate will go on, but I can't help thinking that all this concern for my health couldn't have anything to do with the fact since I stared vaping I have over £5,500 that I haven't spent on fags or that I have lost the need for all the stop smoking pills, patches, sprays, and chewing gum that never worked.

Sorry but I have found something that works for me and I'm not on my own...!

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 8:08:23 GMT markm said:

I suspect that a big part of it is the "dose" issue.
they think the device needs to exactly meter the specific dose, and have that in turn marked on the packaging.
What they don't grasp is that the user is the regulator element, not enough, take more puffs until satisfied.
By the same principle they could take over water/food/coffee/tea/sunlight...........they are mad with power these people!

They probably don't even know the "dosing" issue is easily sorted. The likes of the evic already have puff counters. I am 100% certain exact doses could be incorporated with little effort.

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Jun 13, 2013 8:08:23 GMT markm said:

I suspect that a big part of it is the "dose" issue.
they think the device needs to exactly meter the specific dose, and have that in turn marked on the packaging.
What they don't grasp is that the user is the regulator element, not enough, take more puffs until satisfied.
By the same principle they could take over water/food/coffee/tea/sunlight...........they are mad with power these people!

It's simple greed ... despite all the facts, the MHRA think differently ... the Tobacco's / Pharma's are clearly bunging them dosh to protect their businesses - natural logic is being cast aside. 2016 gives them time to go to market and preserve their respective revenues and for the government to obtain extra tax. Our desires or logic have nothing to do with this in their mind currently. It's lobbying and dollars. This is the way politics works and always has done.