E-cigarettes to be BANNED in MHRA statement - READ THIS NOW!

[markm]

Jun 13, 2013 8:45:15 GMT @ashmal said:

Jun 13, 2013 8:08:23 GMT markm said:

I suspect that a big part of it is the "dose" issue.
they think the device needs to exactly meter the specific dose, and have that in turn marked on the packaging.
What they don't grasp is that the user is the regulator element, not enough, take more puffs until satisfied.
By the same principle they could take over water/food/coffee/tea/sunlight...........they are mad with power these people!

It's simple greed ... despite all the facts, the MHRA think differently ... the Tobacco's / Pharma's are clearly bunging them dosh to protect their businesses - natural logic is being cast aside. 2016 gives them time to go to market and preserve their respective revenues and for the government to obtain extra tax. Our desires or logic have nothing to do with this in their mind currently. It's lobbying and dollars. This is the way politics works and always has done.

Yes that is what is behind it, the Dose issue is the pretext, that and "think of the children"

Whilst we can see they are rolling on with no regard for reality they do still need to present some kind of
justification to the masses, we need to start shouting loud to get heard. 

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2013 9:14:01 GMT markm said:

Jun 13, 2013 8:45:15 GMT @ashmal said:

It's simple greed ... despite all the facts, the MHRA think differently ... the Tobacco's / Pharma's are clearly bunging them dosh to protect their businesses - natural logic is being cast aside. 2016 gives them time to go to market and preserve their respective revenues and for the government to obtain extra tax. Our desires or logic have nothing to do with this in their mind currently. It's lobbying and dollars. This is the way politics works and always has done.

Yes that is what is behind it, the Dose issue is the pretext, that and "think of the children"

Whilst we can see they are rolling on with no regard for reality they do still need to present some kind of
justification to the masses, we need to start shouting loud to get heard. 

totally agreed ...

[Martin]

I'm trying soooo hard not to rant about the Goverment and all that side..

but if I read it right, does it mean, that nothing is really going to change until 2016? ie, we can can still buy our regular bits, juices etc until 2016?

M

[Blownupdolly]

So what are we going to do then? We all keep saying we should do something , but what, is the big question.
Where do we start?

[markm]

no

[markm]

Jun 13, 2013 9:27:51 GMT Blownupdolly said:

So what are we going to do then? We all keep saying we should do something , but what, is the big question.
Where do we start?

lobby your elected representatives, repeatedly

[Deleted]

I think the Dolly-Wagon needs to head over to Brussels to give them a good talking to ... bring us a slab of lager back

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 9:29:26 GMT markm said:

Jun 13, 2013 9:27:51 GMT Blownupdolly said:

So what are we going to do then? We all keep saying we should do something , but what, is the big question.
Where do we start?

lobby your elected representatives, repeatedly

That's already been done to death and it appears no one is listening.

[fred]

Jun 13, 2013 9:27:51 GMT Blownupdolly said:

So what are we going to do then? We all keep saying we should do something , but what, is the big question.
Where do we start?

I don't know what the current mission statement is but surely, our consumer assocition ECCA should be all over this?
It might not be the way they want to move forward, and I know others are on the case, but

Here's at least 2 consumers, Blownupdolly and myself, who don't know where to start.

I have no communication with ECITA, and after all, why should I, I'm not Trade.

I am however a consumer, so maybe a bit of direction from our Consumer Assocition would be apprecited.

I don't want to start the whole should they/shouldn't they thing again, but as my representatives, what do ECCA suggest that we the consumers do, and how are they going to help us achieve whatever goal that may be? As it currently stands, in 3 years time, they will not need to protect us from unscrupulous vendors, as there WILL BE NO VENDORS.

matt1988 womble

[markm]

But they are slowly comining round, it is working.
The main thing to get over to them is not to just vote without understanding the issues and
how many lives it will effect. Our biggest enemy is ignorance, don't let anyone a chance to
cast a vote without some understanding of the impact will be. These people are resistant
to small numbers, show them the masses and they begin to wake up to the notion there
is a real issue involved, not just yet another rubber stamp job.

[Blownupdolly]

I have noticed recently that on at least two occasions where ECITA have been on TV news segments it has been alongside the guy who owns Elites. Is this good for us?

I sill feel as I have said before, that both ECITA who represent vendors and ECCA who represent us should pool themselves together giving us one big united front where ALL of us will then have the opportunity to help fight this together. I might be out of order saying this, but it is how I feel, so I will say it. I feel that OUR interests, as in the man on the street, are just completely squeezed out in this fight. The only voice being heard is ECITA with KAtherine being spokeswoman for the industry, but how do we the little people get a hearing?

[collie2011]

I don't want to go back to smoking so I am going to spend the next 2 years stocking up on Nic juice and lowering the nic content of what I vape so my stored nic will last longer.

We need a well organised leadership to tell us what to do and how to do it. We need to get the word out there, we need media coverage, people who know what they are talking about and we need to work hard. We need blogs, we need them to be shared on every social media platform you can think of. We need petitions, lobbying and to shout from the rooftops. But most of all we need a face, we need direction and we need a united front this is what ECCA should be providing, a voice, a face and advice on how we, the consumers can help.

[markm]

Jun 13, 2013 9:43:39 GMT fred said:

Jun 13, 2013 9:27:51 GMT Blownupdolly said:

So what are we going to do then? We all keep saying we should do something , but what, is the big question.
Where do we start?

I don't know what the current mission statement is but surely, our consumer assocition ECCA should be all over this?
It might not be the way they want to move forward, and I know others are on the case, but

Here's at least 2 consumers, Blownupdolly and myself, who don't know where to start.

I have no communication with ECITA, and after all, why should I, I'm not Trade.

I am however a consumer, so maybe a bit of direction from our Consumer Assocition would be apprecited.

I don't want to start the whole should they/shouldn't they thing again, but as my representatives, what do ECCA suggest that we the consumers do, and how are they going to help us achieve whatever goal that may be? As it currently stands, in 3 years time, they will not need to protect us from unscrupulous vendors, as there WILL BE NO VENDORS.

matt1988 womble

I don't agree, ECCA has a specific role to perform in consumer protection. they have spent too much time trying to struggle
with the dual role and it just didn't work.
Vapers need their own political organisation, vapers for justice or whatever. Then there is no angst about conflicts of interest and
credibility. A single issue organisation has a lot more freedom of action.

[collie2011]

Jun 13, 2013 9:51:08 GMT markm said:

Jun 13, 2013 9:43:39 GMT fred said:

I don't know what the current mission statement is but surely, our consumer assocition ECCA should be all over this?
It might not be the way they want to move forward, and I know others are on the case, but

Here's at least 2 consumers, Blownupdolly and myself, who don't know where to start.

I have no communication with ECITA, and after all, why should I, I'm not Trade.

I am however a consumer, so maybe a bit of direction from our Consumer Assocition would be apprecited.

I don't want to start the whole should they/shouldn't they thing again, but as my representatives, what do ECCA suggest that we the consumers do, and how are they going to help us achieve whatever goal that may be? As it currently stands, in 3 years time, they will not need to protect us from unscrupulous vendors, as there WILL BE NO VENDORS.

matt1988 womble

I don't agree, ECCA has a specific role to perform in consumer protection. they have spent too much time trying to struggle
with the dual role and it just didn't work.
Vapers need their own political organisation, vapers for justice or whatever. Then there is no angst about conflicts of interest and
credibility. A single issue organisation has a lot more freedom of action.

I'm behind you 100% Mark. Vapers for Justice, Vapers United whatever it's called, if it gets our voices heard then I am behind it 100% and will do whatever I can to help.

[Blownupdolly]

Me too.
The only thing that concerns me is that a lot of people are inherently lazy and are quite happy to talk the talk, but when it comes to getting off their backsides they don't. There will no doubt be lots of encouragement, agreement and verbal and written support, but how many really WOULD get up and fight with us?