5:2 Diet.

[vereybowring]

I agree with Jez.
Dieting and keeping weight off all come down to managing food intake versus energy expenditure.
I've said to friends in the past the very old idea of eat less, move around more.
Fat cells once formed never go away (unless you have surgery) so too many people relax after dieting and just heap it all back on as their body feels starved and starts storing excess straight away.

Like Blownupdolly I've also been on meds which cause weight gain, mine was by water retention. I had a torso scan (ultrasound) when at my heaviest (about 18 st) and there was no excess fat round my organs so they knew it was nothing to worry about unduly. After a change of meds and 4 moths or so being more physically active my waist size dropped by 4 inches. Just have to keep it off now but as I said most of mine was due to meds.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 20, 2013 6:38:48 GMT Jezarel said:

That Michael Mosley documentary was really interesting. After looking into the papers a bit more tho it was not a weighloss diet as such but the receptors it inhibits leads to a much faster regeneration of cells. This can actually work against you when trying to lose weight. If its not managed correctly the cells in the body get all confused and receptors can be damaged and "locked open" this can lead to many nasties in the body and increased weight gain, lowered serotonin pick up amongst others. All a bit laymens I know but I am at the end of a 7 in a row 13 hr night shits... sorry shifts. So Im not going to remember my uni training

As with all weight loss diets there is only 3 things you need. Lower intake of calories, exercise (especially cardio vascular) and willpower.

If you looking to trim up remember that muscle is heavier than fat and watching those scales if you working out to lose weight is a bad idea. You then need to objectively look at the problem areas (bum, tum, legs whatever you don't like) I have that problem with the wife at the moment. She has this target weight but she is doing kelltlsize and weights to try and shift it. Shes starting to look like she hulk but keeps crying that shes put on weight!!! Sometimes I despair I really do

If you need any help give me a shout, I find anatomy, exersize and weight really interesting.

Regards
Jez

So how does a person like me do cardio exercise?? This is the biggest problem I have now. I have a chronic spinal condition. I can manage to walk very short distances on crutches, but most of the time use a wheelchair. The idea of all the cardio exercise I can think is completely out of my range.
I can go swimming as long as there is a hoist to get me in, but I certainly can't do aquarobics!! I have found a gym this week that has some resistance equipment for wheelchair users, but all that will do is stop my muscles wasting away. It won't burn fat to any reasonable degree.
To be frank, I have been very depressed about this lately, and have also become very angry inside. I am not a lazy person who has sat on their bum eating cake all my life.

Sorry Lobey I have hijacked your thread. Didnt mean to. It's just this subject is very close to the bone for me right now.

[Jen]

All the advice the docs have ever given me is that exercise is about fitness, to lose weight you need to address the food/calorific intake. You don't burn calories at anywhere near the rate you think you would when exercising, unfortunately. Although muscle does need calories to be maintained, hence bodybuilders eating all that protein etc, it's not really the best and fastest way to lose weight. I wouldn't worry too much about it Blownupdolly

[lobeydosser]

<<<Sorry Lobey I have hijacked your thread. Didnt mean to. It's just this subject is very close to the bone for me right now. >>>

Don't apologise Blownupdolly, It wasn't you who hijacked the thread but those who think everybody wants to lose just a few pounds while imagining that the whole population is as fit and healthy as they are.

Fortunately I am not ready for a wheelchair yet, but a few more years of being this weight that I am, considering my present health and that is a strong possibility.

Dr Mosley's 5:2 Diet flies against the face of most Dietician Opinion and so is bound to attract criticism from the sceptics. The main difference is that he backs up his theories with both other medical facts and with the addresses of where those facts came from, and his own experience of the 5:2 diet.
This idea of Fast then Plenty has been researched in different countries for over 20 years. So it is nothing new. What is new is that is that Mosley has simply gathered all the research together and put it into a book. He freely admits that non of the research is his, all he has done is tried it out on himself.

Those of us who are on diets or thinking about giving them a go, have to decide whether they would fit in with our lifestyles and whether they would be sustainable on the long term.

I personally am not the slightest bit interested in how other people manage their food intake, their fitness programs or their emotions, I originally asked if people had any experience of the 5:2 Fasting Diet and that is all I am interested in.

[digicig]

Chairobics is one option for exercise with limited mobility

All though called 'Stand Still be fit' Chi Kung can also be done sitting/lying down - just using the arm positions in good posture

[Jezarel]

Jun 20, 2013 8:46:22 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Jun 20, 2013 6:38:48 GMT Jezarel said:

That Michael Mosley documentary was really interesting. After looking into the papers a bit more tho it was not a weighloss diet as such but the receptors it inhibits leads to a much faster regeneration of cells. This can actually work against you when trying to lose weight. If its not managed correctly the cells in the body get all confused and receptors can be damaged and "locked open" this can lead to many nasties in the body and increased weight gain, lowered serotonin pick up amongst others. All a bit laymens I know but I am at the end of a 7 in a row 13 hr night shits... sorry shifts. So Im not going to remember my uni training

As with all weight loss diets there is only 3 things you need. Lower intake of calories, exercise (especially cardio vascular) and willpower.

If you looking to trim up remember that muscle is heavier than fat and watching those scales if you working out to lose weight is a bad idea. You then need to objectively look at the problem areas (bum, tum, legs whatever you don't like) I have that problem with the wife at the moment. She has this target weight but she is doing kelltlsize and weights to try and shift it. Shes starting to look like she hulk but keeps crying that shes put on weight!!! Sometimes I despair I really do

If you need any help give me a shout, I find anatomy, exersize and weight really interesting.

Regards
Jez

So how does a person like me do cardio exercise?? This is the biggest problem I have now. I have a chronic spinal condition. I can manage to walk very short distances on crutches, but most of the time use a wheelchair. The idea of all the cardio exercise I can think is completely out of my range.
I can go swimming as long as there is a hoist to get me in, but I certainly can't do aquarobics!! I have found a gym this week that has some resistance equipment for wheelchair users, but all that will do is stop my muscles wasting away. It won't burn fat to any reasonable degree.
To be frank, I have been very depressed about this lately, and have also become very angry inside. I am not a lazy person who has sat on their bum eating cake all my life.

Sorry Lobey I have hijacked your thread. Didnt mean to. It's just this subject is very close to the bone for me right now.

Hey Dolly dont sweat dudette. I have cared for people with many oestoe problems and I understand how frustrating it can be.

Cardio is nothing but raising heart rate, this can be done by using dynamic resistance in any kind of movement. Tensing as many muscles in you body as you can and making any movement with self imposed resistance. Imagine it like your moving you limbs through clay. By using dynamic resistance I can raise my heart rate from a resting rate of 80 to 120 without even getting out of a chair.

I refer you to this video. I'm not saying that everyone can do this, I'm not saying that everyone can get the same transforming results but the amount of people I have seen with sever skeletal or muscle problems transformed by yoga its incredible. The man in this video used DDP yoga. Its great for men and women who dont want to get into the whole eastern / Indian spirituality of yoga.



I believe in you Dolly and if you ever need help with exersize, diet or just someone to call a dickhead just shoot me a PM.

Regards
Jez

I really didnt mean to cause offence to anybody, this is a subject close to my heart and that of my wifes side of the family. All aerobics/dance/yoga/pilates fitness freaks that love working with people of all sizes, ages and shapes. Like the man in the vid tells me, just because I cant do it today, does not mean I wont be able to do it in the future. Much love to all of you and apologies to Blownupdolly for any offence caused.

[Blownupdolly]

Don't be daft Jezebel I am not offended at all.
Will reply when I get home. Bloody keyboard on phone drives me nuts.

I don't want to take over Lobeys thread might make new one

[Jezarel]

Been doing a bit more reading on this as I was very interested when Mosley did his show. The literature on weight loss is a bit dubious but the associated benefits when it comes to health are a lot more interesting. I can't be bothered to paraphrase the lot of of so I will just link to papers I found.

Some very interesting reading if only a bit heavy at parts.

Does anyone know if this has been a staple in any certain cultures. That would be interesting.

Sorry for changing topic in your thread earlier lobeydosser. Hopefully these links will make up for it.

eresveratrol.com/content/00/01/43/84/95/userimages/ADCR_JBJ_MH.pdf
matsuokalab.georgetown.edu/pubs/2007%20Neurobiol%20Dis%20Caloric%20restriction.pdf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017674/

Poor little mice

Regards
Jez

[lobeydosser]

Hi Jez, I already have all the theory I need sitting here in front of me.

The reason I wrote this topic is that I am looking for others who have tried the 5:2 diet and succeeded or failed on it.
Practical experience is worth a 1000 words of theory.

However, either this diet is too new or we have no fat vapers!

[lobeydosser]

Today (Friday) is my first attempt at Fasting all day, using the Kidz5aday as my main food source.

It is now 7.15pm and so far I have had two portions of Kidz5aday (IE 2 X 60cals).
I am allowed 600 cals today, but as it is my first attempt at this, I will have a supper of solid food to help me sleep properly. I expect this will take my food intake up to 300 or 400 cals.

Although I have not had many cals today, I do not feel hungry and in fact I am feeling very positive and chirpy. A sure sign that I am not suffering in any way from lack of my usual calorie intake.

However, I think that on future Fast Days, I will up the Kidz5aday to 4 throughout the day but still have a solid supper.

It is all very experimental at the moment as I try to get into a regime that suits me.

Early experiments are showing that I am much more satisfied with smaller portions of food than I was say a week ago and that large (normal) portions leave me bloated and uncomfortable. Long may this continue because large portions of anything are only permissible when the associated hard work accompanies it.

Oh well, onwards and upwards.

[Jezarel]

Well done dude. Keep up and keep us informed.

Regards
Jez

[lobeydosser]

Just a wee update on this 5:2 diet.

I must say that I am totally amazed at its effects.

For the first time in a long list of trying various other diets, I actually feel really good about myself. Happy; Buzzing; Sharp; With it.
It is really a very odd set of feelings. Almost like having taken half a bottle of Happy Pills.

Food wise, on none Fast Days, taste better and I do not want large portions.
On Fast Days I have my milky Kidz5aday instead of breakfast, lunch and supper and a meal at teatime of such that my combined calories will be under 600 cal for the day.

I am type two diabetic and on Fast Days I cut my diabetic medication by half because of the effects they would have on me with the milky drinks, but still my blood/sugar level is coming down to normal levels.
I imagine that other medical problems I have are also reducing, but only my next blood test will tell me that for sure.

I think that our bodies tell us when things are not right.
It has been so long since my body was telling me that I am doing something right, that it has taken me a week to recognise the signs.

The trousers have not fallen down yet, but there is a definite more comfortable feeling around the waistline!!!

Oh well, onwards and downwards!

[Jezarel]

Go Lobey, Go Lobey!!!
Party like its your brirhday.

That's as hip as I get

Well done dude. Glad it's working.

Regards
Jez

[ladypenelope]

Hi there - thought I'd put my ten penneth in here. There is a brilliant book by Dr Michael Mosley called 'The Fast Diet'. It explains all the scientific stuff in a way that non scientists like myself can understand. It's a really good book to start the 5:2 diet from but personally the key for me is not to think of it as a diet but as a change of lifestyle. I have never dieted in my life -I like food too much and luckily I've never really been overweight! I've noticed that when people say they are on a diet they constantly think and talk about food!!

I am very lucky that at the grand old age of 55 (25 in my head!!!) I am in excellent health, have a very active and physically demanding job. I also work 12 hour shifts - days and nights. I started this lifestyle change about 4 months ago and have never looked back. I eat very little on the 'fast days' (rest days from work) but as someone has already said you feel like you have taken happy pills! It's a very weird feeling but at the same time everything is so much clearer and the bonus is that I have so much more energy.

It does take a bit of getting used to and getting your head in the right place but as I said at the beginning - the book is brilliant for that - you'll want to get going straight away.

Good luck to anyone giving it a go...

[toffeepops]

Hi I started this diet yesterday, since packing up smoking and starting vaping and other stuff, I have crept up in the weight department.Could possibly be the red wine tho!
I have downloaded the book on my kindle and trying to get my head round it all.
I fasted yesterday for the 1st time so still very early days but felt I had more energy last night?!
The hunger wasnt too bad either so Im feeling pretty optimistic..
I joined the facebook page too for extra support, I wish you well lobeydosser and hope we both loose a few pounds!