Help please!!

[Dan]

Hi everyone, I need some help!

Not so long ago I started suffering from mouth ulcers when using the Kanger Protanks. At the time I put this down to the mouthpiece being made of plated metal (copper or brass?) as opposed to Stainless.

I sold these and replaced them with a pair of RSSTs and had no issues whatsoever for weeks.

After speaking to Grant @ GVC regarding a muted taste, I decided to go back to a silica atty to get the best out of it. Mouth ulcers started appearing again within hours of vaping my second favourite liquid (HEV apple pie in 70/30).. (this time with a stainless atty and plastic drip tip)

Now the confusing part.

I can vape on the 50/50 GVC for days on end with no reactions whatsoever, but I have mouth ulcers return within hours of vaping the 70/30 mix.. Again, this is only with Silica attys and I had NO problems with the RSST Gennies..

What would be a reason for me to react differently with the different wicks? Is it the difference in the heat generated by the different setups?

The issue I have is that I have just over 200mls of the Apple Pie 70/30 mix sitting in the fridge (gotta love special offers!!) which is now just sitting there. I love the flavour, but cannot put up with the constant pain caused by the ulcers. I've also had the same problem with a 70/30 Banana juice soured from a local vendor.

So now the question (and I'm sorry for blurbing on!), Can I adjust the PG/VG ratio of the apple pie to make the ratio 50/50?

Will I lose some of the flavour by doing so? What exactly do I need to do? Just add a measured amount of VG?

Again, I apologise for babbling on, but I've read about people being allergic to Pg, I just can't understand why I'm fine if using a SS wick, but suffer like hell with the Ekowool!

I am expecting a couple of Kayfuns in the next few hours and obviously want to use them with my favourite flavours and so I'm looking for a fix which won't leave me selling the Apple pie liquid!

Many thankyous for taking the time to read this!

Regards

Dan

[Ancient Hermit]

It seems to me that there is one thing you could try, adding GVC BUT in 30/70 PG/VG .

Now that would see the overall mix at 50/50 PG/VG, and it would add a flavour to each that many see as a nice end mix.

As long as nic level was same as original then you'd pay no penalty there either.

If not keen on the idea of that outcome then you would probably have to face a flavour drop, and if just adding plain VG then quite possibly a nic level drop too.

The maths gets a little more taxing for me personally about there, so I'll hope more experienced mixers might add a few thoughts on that bit. I seem to have a mental block with arithmetic (just numbers) but I'm very cosy with algebra! <shrug> I woke too tired this morning to try and hit the algebra at this time of day! LOL 

Hope it helps.

[Dan]

Aug 2, 2013 5:45:29 GMT Ancient Hermit said:

It seems to me that there is one thing you could try, adding GVC BUT in 30/70 PG/VG .

Now that would see the overall mix at 50/50 PG/VG, and it would add a flavour to each that many see as a nice end mix.

As long as nic level was same as original then you'd pay no penalty there either.

If not keen on the idea of that outcome then you would probably have to face a flavour drop, and if just adding plain VG then quite possibly a nic level drop too.

The maths gets a little more taxing for me personally about there, so I'll hope more experienced mixers might add a few thoughts on that bit. I seem to have a mental block with arithmetic (just numbers) but I'm very cosy with algebra! <shrug> I woke too tired this morning to try and hit the algebra at this time of day! LOL 

Hope it helps.

Thankyou Ancient Hermit

I had thought about getting the apple pie in 30/70 but I dont want to spend anymore on more ready made juice as I intend to startmixing asap.

I went out this morning and got a 200ml bottle of glycerin from lloyds pharmacy but its just a case of how much to add to get the ratio down.. havnt a clue myself!!

I'm not fussed about a nic drop as I think I need to anyways, and its already got extra flavour so that shoukdnt be a problem either..

[rich64]

based on the following rough recipe of.....

if 70 % is pg based thats 140 ml of pg with 60 ml vg making up the rest
so to get a 50/50 you will need to add 80 ml vg to the mix which will give you...

140 ml pg made up of pg,pg nic , flavour concentrates and sweeteners
140 ml vg

280 ml of e liquid in total

Could be wrong but i think it will murder your original liquid putting that much vg into it

Id only make up say 10 ml as a tester just now and see how it goes(add 4 mil of vg base to 10 ml of the apple pie 70/30)

[rich64]

Or

Id keep it aside and use it as a base when you start mixing your own and get it as close to as you like it as possible (there will be a recipe in our EXCELLENT mixing file on the recipe board )

[giles]

Time to start mixing.

I'd make Romelee's apple pie and custard allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/26945/members-eliquid-recipes-sweets-desserts?page=1&scrollTo=492509
but at 70/30 vg/pg and mix them.

When you buy your nic, make sure you get it VG based. Flavours tend to be pg based, so it is difficult to get 70% VG otherwise. Even 50/50 can be tight.

[Dan]

Aug 2, 2013 15:57:01 GMT rich64 said:

Or

Id keep it aside and use it as a base when you start mixing your own and get it as close to as you like it as possible (there will be a recipe in our EXCELLENT mixing file on the recipe board )

Thankyou rich64

Food for thought indeed!!

When you say it will murder the liquid, what do you think would happen?

Having had more time to research my issues part of me still thinks it's something to do with the wick material I'm using.. namely ekowool..

When I first started I was using exclusively 70/30 mixes with no issues but that was with normal silica wicks. My mouth ulcers only really started when I started using ekowool in the protanks.. as I say I used rssts with ss wicks for a fair few weeka with absolutely no problems and when I returned to ekowool they've reared their ugly head again.. BUT only with 70/30 mixes..

My two kayfuns arrived this morning and I'm about to set them up. Since I have so much of the apple pie I'm going to try a normal silica wick and see how I get on..

By the way, when you say about using the apple pie as a base for mixing, do you mean that I should keep it as a flavour comparison? Or actually try to integrate it into a new mix?

[dnglos]

Aug 2, 2013 3:17:22 GMT Dan said:

So now the question (and I'm sorry for blurbing on!), Can I adjust the PG/VG ratio of the apple pie to make the ratio 50/50?

Will I lose some of the flavour by doing so? What exactly do I need to do? Just add a measured amount of VG?

To get a 50/50 mix you'd need to add 80ml of VG to your 200ml of 70/30 juice. However, the nic content and the flavour would both be diluted by about 30%.

It might be best to just use up the apple pie in your RSST and stick to high VG liquids going forward.

[Dan]

Aug 2, 2013 20:22:10 GMT giles said:

Time to start mixing.

I'd make Romelee's apple pie and custard allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/26945/members-eliquid-recipes-sweets-desserts?page=1&scrollTo=492509
but at 70/30 vg/pg and mix them.

When you buy your nic, make sure you get it VG based. Flavours tend to be pg based, so it is difficult to get 70% VG otherwise. Even 50/50 can be tight.

I just need to sell a few bits to fund the mixing kit first.. (anyone want to buy some apple pie liquid? Lol)

Been looking into it for a while now so have a few recipes in mind to get me going..

[Dan]

Aug 2, 2013 21:47:01 GMT dnglos said:

Aug 2, 2013 3:17:22 GMT Dan said:

So now the question (and I'm sorry for blurbing on!), Can I adjust the PG/VG ratio of the apple pie to make the ratio 50/50?

Will I lose some of the flavour by doing so? What exactly do I need to do? Just add a measured amount of VG?

To get a 50/50 mix you'd need to add 80ml of VG to your 200ml of 70/30 juice. However, the nic content and the flavour would both be diluted by about 30%.

It be best to just use up the apple pie in your RSST and stick to high VG liquids going forward.

Hi dnglos

If I'm not successful with normal silica wick I'm going to try a small (20ml) test of adjusting the ratio with the glycerin I bought this morning.

The nic level is 24mg which is likely to blow my head off with the kayfuns and it's already got double flavouring..

If that fails I'll have to either bite the bullet and buy some more juice from HEV in 30/70 in 6mg or try to sell the remaining 180mls.

Will have to see how it goes over the next few days with the silica first and go from there.

There was me thinking that I coukd just add some vg and job done!

[dnglos]

Dan Good idea to try regular silica first. If you're still having a reaction you could maybe consider using cotton:



Not sure if this would work on a Kayfun though.

[rich64]

Aug 2, 2013 21:44:51 GMT Dan said:

Aug 2, 2013 15:57:01 GMT rich64 said:

Or

Id keep it aside and use it as a base when you start mixing your own and get it as close to as you like it as possible (there will be a recipe in our EXCELLENT mixing file on the recipe board )

Thankyou rich64

Food for thought indeed!!

When you say it will murder the liquid, what do you think would happen?

Having had more time to research my issues part of me still thinks it's something to do with the wick material I'm using.. namely ekowool..

When I first started I was using exclusively 70/30 mixes with no issues but that was with normal silica wicks. My mouth ulcers only really started when I started using ekowool in the protanks.. as I say I used rssts with ss wicks for a fair few weeka with absolutely no problems and when I returned to ekowool they've reared their ugly head again.. BUT only with 70/30 mixes..

My two kayfuns arrived this morning and I'm about to set them up. Since I have so much of the apple pie I'm going to try a normal silica wick and see how I get on..

By the way, when you say about using the apple pie as a base for mixing, do you mean that I should keep it as a flavour comparison? Or actually try to integrate it into a new mix?

When you say it will murder the liquid, what do you think would happen?

Just that with adding nigh on 40 % additional vg it will reduce the flavour probably too much and of course the nic level will be reduced by the same %

Like you say try 20 ml and see how it goes for you.

No idea why ekowool would have such an effect but hoping you get it sorted as mouth ulcers can t be pleasant

[Greigster]

Cotton wool will work very well with a Kayfun. The other thing to try is to flame the ekowool so it gets white hot before you coil it, I have noticed a funky smoke coming off the eko when I pulse fire a new wick if I hadn't flamed it first. We can't be sure what is in the Ekowool chemical wise.

[rich64]

Aug 2, 2013 22:24:25 GMT Greigster said:

Cotton wool will work very well with a Kayfun. The other thing to try is to flame the ekowool so it gets white hot before you coil it, I have noticed a funky smoke coming off the eko when I pulse fire a new wick if I hadn't flamed it first. We can't be sure what is in the Ekowool chemical wise.

I must admit i ve became a little suspicious of ekowool and taken to flaming it first.

Also a couple of weeks ago i tested cotton wool in the pro tank and it was ok(ish....maybe a bit muted) without leakage

[Greigster]

Aug 2, 2013 22:28:23 GMT rich64 said:

Aug 2, 2013 22:24:25 GMT Greigster said:

Cotton wool will work very well with a Kayfun. The other thing to try is to flame the ekowool so it gets white hot before you coil it, I have noticed a funky smoke coming off the eko when I pulse fire a new wick if I hadn't flamed it first. We can't be sure what is in the Ekowool chemical wise.

I must admit i ve became a little suspicious of ekowool and taken to flaming it first.

Also a couple of weeks ago i tested cotton wool in the pro tank and it was ok(ish....maybe a bit muted) without leakage

I have just started using cotton wool and microcoils and find it amazing. Have a read here: allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/26995/micro-coils