E-Cigarette Licensing Procedure

[mikeb]

www.ecigwizard.com/blog/licensing-procedure

[Karma]

That was an interesting read!

[djs]

Good news, hardware probably safe.

bad news for some *unnamed* plastic white sticks though...

Therefore, as a general principle, an applicant will be required to demonstrate that the
plasma nicotine concentration which their product will achieve when administered
correctly is both efficacious and safe.

As it's already been proven that in naive users cig-a-likes don't raise blood plasma nicotine readings, they're all in trouble.

A patch will give you 20mg over 16 hours or whatever....proven, tick.
A cig-a-like will not....certainly not a 16 or 20mg one....no chance. BYE BYE skycig, nicolites and E-lites. Enjoy your retirement....

Still doesn't solve the liquid dilema though. G + T anyone?

[mikeb]

Reading the MHRA pdf it would appear that they still think ecigs are cigalikes.
At least they say that if a product doesn't contain nicotine it doesn't have to be licenced.

[matt1988]

Aug 5, 2013 16:41:25 GMT mikeb said:

Reading the MHRA pdf it would appear that they still think ecigs are cigalikes.
At least they say that if a product doesn't contain nicotine it doesn't have to be licenced.

Yes that is correct, so you could openly sell placebo e-cigarettes. However to have just a liquid licence, it will need to have a licence against a delivery device/product, and that product must also have a licence. Or that's how I read it anyway.

It's all a little confusing, and appears they are still rushing these releases.

[mikeb]

Aug 5, 2013 21:05:14 GMT matt1988 said:

Aug 5, 2013 16:41:25 GMT mikeb said:

Reading the MHRA pdf it would appear that they still think ecigs are cigalikes.
At least they say that if a product doesn't contain nicotine it doesn't have to be licenced.

Yes that is correct, so you could openly sell placebo e-cigarettes. However to have just a liquid licence, it will need to have a licence against a delivery device/product, and that product must also have a licence. Or that's how I read it anyway.

It's all a little confusing, and appears they are still rushing these releases.

That's how I read it matt, but how can a juice manufacturer know all the devices it will be used in and be licenced for them?
it can only mean prefilled cigalike carts so if a nicotine manufacturer doesn't make it for a particular ecig it doesn't need to be licenced depending on what the EU comes out with in the final ncp and tpd regs.
It's a proper mess and looks to be unlawful and unenforceable to me.

[matt1988]

Aug 5, 2013 21:54:13 GMT mikeb said:

Aug 5, 2013 21:05:14 GMT matt1988 said:

Yes that is correct, so you could openly sell placebo e-cigarettes. However to have just a liquid licence, it will need to have a licence against a delivery device/product, and that product must also have a licence. Or that's how I read it anyway.

It's all a little confusing, and appears they are still rushing these releases.

That's how I read it matt, but how can a juice manufacturer know all the devices it will be used in and be licenced for them?
it can only mean prefilled cigalike carts so if a nicotine manufacturer doesn't make it for a particular ecig it doesn't need to be licenced depending on what the EU comes out with in the final ncp and tpd regs.
It's a proper mess and looks to be unlawful and unenforceable to me.

Indeed it will either be inforced with more holes than a seive or they will try and do something different, not too sure what that could be. I mean if a juice does have to be sold for a particular set up, ie 650mah battery with a CE4 fair enough, but there is nothing to stop vendors selling other unlicensed products, as they don't contain nicotine, and sell them the juice.

But the vendor would have to openly advise that the juice is only to be used in that above set up. Which will be fine for us, but not great for a new user. Plus an added cost for no reason whatsoever.

[gaura]

I seriously do not think (or at least can not believe that) these proposals will ever pass into law, as they are way out of proportion to what is required to regulate the industry. Taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut is how it appears. Surely common sense at some point will prevail amongst those proposing such things...unless they have ulterior motives, which is a whole other kettle of fish. However even if they do, they still have to get their proposals agreed to by a majority of unbias persons, as far as I am aware.

It is interesting that despite all the worries and concerns over the dangers of ecigs that their proposals are based on, over the past 7 years, if they were as risky as is being considered, then we would have heard of a few problems by now. As far as I am aware, there have been no reports of people overdosing on nicotine due to either bad mixing or a faulty ecig.

If it aint broke...why fix it...

[neptune]

gaura. Everything you say is logical. However, when greed comes in the door, logic goes out the window. Sweden has the lowest smoking rate in the civilised world, and the lowest rates of cancer. All down to Snus. Did the European Parliament encourage us to use Snus? Not exactly, they banned it.