Gurgling and/or leaking clearomiser?

[djs]

Oct 26, 2014 1:27:33 GMT doveman said:

Are you saying that the Nautilus vapourises more liquid per second than another tank would? I've never looked into exactly what goes on inside the coil but I thought they all just vapourised whatever was on the part of the wick that's internal, with the rest of the wick there just to absorb the liquid and bring it to that internal point where the magic happens 

I haven't thought of it that way, no. BUT, you make a good point. Most atomizers are designed (intentionally or not) to wick the liquid at a certain rate. For example, Aspire could make the holes bigger or smaller to allow more liquid flow into the wadding/filler.
Nautilus BVC does gather up liquid quite fast and can get a little "soggy". Soggy is what iClear30 gets as well. When things get soggy, you need to get that coil powering away to vapourise the liquid. That's my theory anyway.

[doveman]

Oct 25, 2014 19:21:23 GMT smifee said:

doveman are the Nautilus heads BVC or BDC?

If BVC check the 4 small holes at the bottom of the coil. There's a metal sleeve inside the head which restricts the juice flow. I've found a couple where the sleeve was misaligned and allowed too much juice through.

I take the coil & filler out to recoil them so it's just a matter of holding it up to the light. Won't be so easy to tell with the filler inside though.

djs can you remember where you left the kanthal?

Yeah, they're BVC so I'll check that thanks, although it would seem strange that the first one was working OK until recently and the fresh second one has had this problem since fitting it.

The iClear30 is actually not gurgling too badly at the moment but I'm using my mini Protank with the microcoil I bought at the moment as there does seem to be something not quite right with the iClear30. That probably needs rewicking as it's OK at 3.3v but if I turn it up to even 3.8v I get a nasty burning taste (I think that's the problem I'm having with the iClear30 but the Protank with microcoil works better at 3.3v) and I know when I got it, I could turn it right up without this happening, it just generated more vape but I chose to keep it at 3.3v as that produces about the same amount of vape as other heads at higher voltages and makes the battery last longer.

I prefer the iclear30 to the Nautilus anyway, as it's top fill, so I can refill it without having to remove it from the battery and I have trouble unscrewing the Nautilus, as it screws up quite tight.

[doveman]

Oct 26, 2014 10:34:37 GMT djs said:

Nautilus BVC does gather up liquid quite fast and can get a little "soggy". Soggy is what iClear30 gets as well. When things get soggy, you need to get that coil powering away to vapourise the liquid. That's my theory anyway.

I gave it a good go, turning up the battery and trying to vapourise away any excess but it didn't help and it's still gurgling and I'm getting more air than vape. I'll ask my mate who gave it to me (and also uses one) to have a look next time he's over, as maybe he's had the same problem and knows how to fix it

[kittyvape]

Getting exasperated with leaking ... using iStick 50w and range of Kangertechs (aerotank plus subtanks nano/mini/6ml). Just got sleeve for iStick too, and this morning discovered juice had leaked into the sleeve, covering entire sleeve and istick. Have had to remove sleeve, and fully clean sleeve and iStick. Can't be good for the iStick/buttons etc? Really like the sleeve, as can grip more, especially with heavier tanks, but it filling up with juice isn't good. Am taking care to fill tanks while leaving a vacuum, blow through while tissue on any openings, not over-tightening etc, o-rings fine (all very new tanks) and can't work out why the leaks. Wishing the airflow controls were at the top rather than at the base, as everything seems to be leaking out of those. I like the airflow fully open, but with the subtank mini at the moment (the one that's filled the sleeve and covered iStick with juice) I'd closed it up one notch for now, but still leaked. Been noticing ceramic tanks coming out, that claim no leakage, which would be heaven. Having spent £80+ on Kanger tanks, which I loved from the start, really hoping there's some kind of solution.

ICIGA BDC PRO CERAMIC CLEAROMIZER ... been wondering if this is the way to go, or the Lemo 2? 

EDIT: went to new local cafe/shop that's opened in Middlesbrough (Mass Vapour) and they were brilliant. Mass advised that my homemade liquid is watery, and to mix it at 70 Vg 30 PG and add higher % of flavour to compensate, thus will be 'gloopier' and not leak. He was using the exact same tank and had had no leaks.  

[tim]

Apr 25, 2015 7:15:32 GMT kittyvape said:

Getting exasperated with leaking ... using iStick 50w and range of Kangertechs (aerotank plus subtanks nano/mini/6ml). Just got sleeve for iStick too, and this morning discovered juice had leaked into the sleeve, covering entire sleeve and istick. Have had to remove sleeve, and fully clean sleeve and iStick. Can't be good for the iStick/buttons etc? Really like the sleeve, as can grip more, especially with heavier tanks, but it filling up with juice isn't good. Am taking care to fill tanks while leaving a vacuum, blow through while tissue on any openings, not over-tightening etc, o-rings fine (all very new tanks) and can't work out why the leaks. Wishing the airflow controls were at the top rather than at the base, as everything seems to be leaking out of those. I like the airflow fully open, but with the subtank mini at the moment (the one that's filled the sleeve and covered iStick with juice) I'd closed it up one notch for now, but still leaked. Been noticing ceramic tanks coming out, that claim no leakage, which would be heaven. Having spent £80+ on Kanger tanks, which I loved from the start, really hoping there's some kind of solution.

ICIGA BDC PRO CERAMIC CLEAROMIZER ... been wondering if this is the way to go, or the Lemo 2? 

EDIT: went to new local cafe/shop that's opened in Middlesbrough (Mass Vapour) and they were brilliant. Mass advised that my homemade liquid is watery, and to mix it at 70 Vg 30 PG and add higher % of flavour to compensate, thus will be 'gloopier' and not leak. He was using the exact same tank and had had no leaks.  

If you are using the rba on the mini, it may need more cotton. I had a leak once and it was because I got lazy with the wicking, as it had never leaked before. I re-wicked it, and it hasn't leaked since.

They are very forgiving, but don't get sloppy with them. They need enough cotton to stop the flooding.

Hope that helps.

[Perpetua]

Apr 25, 2015 7:15:32 GMT kittyvape said:

EDIT: went to new local cafe/shop that's opened in Middlesbrough (Mass Vapour) and they were brilliant. Mass advised that my homemade liquid is watery, and to mix it at 70 Vg 30 PG and add higher % of flavour to compensate, thus will be 'gloopier' and not leak. He was using the exact same tank and had had no leaks.  

That sounds like good advice Kitty . . . all my mixes are VG heavy and I've never had a problem with leakage with anything I've used, the warmer temperatures we've been having will also make your eliquids that bit more runny.

Though I don't use any extra flavouring than the mixes for PG tolerant friends - but I do give everything plenty of time to steep.

And making sure there's enough cotton as Tim says . . . . .

[kittyvape]

Apr 25, 2015 19:03:46 GMT tim said:

Apr 25, 2015 7:15:32 GMT kittyvape said:

Getting exasperated with leaking ... using iStick 50w and range of Kangertechs (aerotank plus subtanks nano/mini/6ml). Just got sleeve for iStick too, and this morning discovered juice had leaked into the sleeve, covering entire sleeve and istick. Have had to remove sleeve, and fully clean sleeve and iStick. Can't be good for the iStick/buttons etc? Really like the sleeve, as can grip more, especially with heavier tanks, but it filling up with juice isn't good. Am taking care to fill tanks while leaving a vacuum, blow through while tissue on any openings, not over-tightening etc, o-rings fine (all very new tanks) and can't work out why the leaks. Wishing the airflow controls were at the top rather than at the base, as everything seems to be leaking out of those. I like the airflow fully open, but with the subtank mini at the moment (the one that's filled the sleeve and covered iStick with juice) I'd closed it up one notch for now, but still leaked. Been noticing ceramic tanks coming out, that claim no leakage, which would be heaven. Having spent £80+ on Kanger tanks, which I loved from the start, really hoping there's some kind of solution.

ICIGA BDC PRO CERAMIC CLEAROMIZER ... been wondering if this is the way to go, or the Lemo 2? 

EDIT: went to new local cafe/shop that's opened in Middlesbrough (Mass Vapour) and they were brilliant. Mass advised that my homemade liquid is watery, and to mix it at 70 Vg 30 PG and add higher % of flavour to compensate, thus will be 'gloopier' and not leak. He was using the exact same tank and had had no leaks.  

If you are using the rba on the mini, it may need more cotton. I had a leak once and it was because I got lazy with the wicking, as it had never leaked before. I re-wicked it, and it hasn't leaked since.

They are very forgiving, but don't get sloppy with them. They need enough cotton to stop the flooding.

Hope that helps.

Thanks tim   I'm not building my own coils, just using the stock coils. I'm thinking it must be that I'm mixing a bit waterily, if that's a word, lol, but will note your advice for when I do start, for sure. 

[kittyvape]

Apr 25, 2015 19:20:30 GMT Perpetua said:

Apr 25, 2015 7:15:32 GMT kittyvape said:

EDIT: went to new local cafe/shop that's opened in Middlesbrough (Mass Vapour) and they were brilliant. Mass advised that my homemade liquid is watery, and to mix it at 70 Vg 30 PG and add higher % of flavour to compensate, thus will be 'gloopier' and not leak. He was using the exact same tank and had had no leaks.  

That sounds like good advice Kitty . . . all my mixes are VG heavy and I've never had a problem with leakage with anything I've used, the warmer temperatures we've been having will also make your eliquids that bit more runny.

Though I don't use any extra flavouring than the mixes for PG tolerant friends - but I do give everything plenty of time to steep.

And making sure there's enough cotton as Tim says . . . . .

Thanks Perpetua and great to hear your VG heavy mixes don't leak. It has been very warm, yes; hadn't thought about that, so thanks, as that really makes sense. That steeping thing I need to take notice of more, lol. Getting clear about the right balance to mixing, and a schedule of mixing a lot and weekly, needs to come in more. Still at the discovering what works stage, lol, but will get there. 

[tim]

If the leak is from the air-flow kittyvape, it is usually due to either too little cotton, or an air leak into the tank. If there are no other leaks from the tank's o-rings, maybe you just have a dodgy head. It sometimes (too often) happens. Don't give up with the sub-tank though. It is a brilliant tank. I use it daily for work, and, as I am a carpenter, it gets a lot of abuse, what with being dropped and covered in sawdust etc. It has never leaked until that time I mentioned.

Keep on vaping....

[kittyvape]

Apr 25, 2015 20:16:25 GMT tim said:

If the leak is from the air-flow kittyvape, it is usually due to either too little cotton, or an air leak into the tank. If there are no other leaks from the tank's o-rings, maybe you just have a dodgy head. It sometimes (too often) happens. Don't give up with the sub-tank though. It is a brilliant tank. I use it daily for work, and, as I am a carpenter, it gets a lot of abuse, what with being dropped and covered in sawdust etc. It has never leaked until that time I mentioned.

Keep on vaping....

Thanks tim   Great to hear how good the subtank is. Certainly sounds like it's been stress-tested in your job! Do you mean if the tank was faulty, air could leak into the tank eg through a very fine crack? I think you're right though, as the tanks are so well built, plus I'm very new to vaping and learning all the time ... going to mix up some thicker juice tomoz, and see if the leaking stops. It's just plopped all over the iStick again, lol, so the mixing's getting done first thing!

[tim]

Heavy vg juice will help kittyvape. But if you have an air leak in the tank, it will still leak.

If it has only just started, I'd think it may be the atty head you are using is causing the leak. Unless you have dropped it and damaged something, a new one may cure it.

[kittyvape]

Apr 25, 2015 21:07:23 GMT tim said:

Heavy vg juice will help kittyvape. But if you have an air leak in the tank, it will still leak.

If it has only just started, I'd think it may be the atty head you are using is causing the leak. Unless you have dropped it and damaged something, a new one may cure it.

Great, thanks tim   Hyper careful about not dropping it, so am relieved it can't be that [watch me drop it, now I've said that, lol]. Definitely sounds like a plan ... new coil now, new mixes a.m. 

[tim]

There will always be the occasional fail with mass produced products kittyvape. It doesn't mean that the product company is bad, just that maybe the dodgy item got through quality control on Friday afternoon, when people are thinking other things.

Update us on the outcome of a new head. Sometimes you will get 2 duds in a row, but that is really bad luck.

[kittyvape]

Apr 25, 2015 21:32:32 GMT tim said:

There will always be the occasional fail with mass produced products kittyvape. It doesn't mean that the product company is bad, just that maybe the dodgy item got through quality control on Friday afternoon, when people are thinking other things.

Update us on the outcome of a new head. Sometimes you will get 2 duds in a row, but that is really bad luck.

Thanks tim That makes a lot of sense. And no leaking so far, but it's only been in for 10 minutes; will update better later, but definitely looking good so far. 

[tim]

Apr 25, 2015 21:44:11 GMT kittyvape said:

Apr 25, 2015 21:32:32 GMT tim said:

There will always be the occasional fail with mass produced products kittyvape. It doesn't mean that the product company is bad, just that maybe the dodgy item got through quality control on Friday afternoon, when people are thinking other things.

Update us on the outcome of a new head. Sometimes you will get 2 duds in a row, but that is really bad luck.

Thanks tim That makes a lot of sense. And no leaking so far, but it's only been in for 10 minutes; will update better later, but definitely looking good so far. 

Nice. Keep the old heads for re-coiling. People here may be able to do it for you if you ask nicely