Nicotine(just curious)

[rich64]

Hi
This is nt really a mixology question its more of a general interest question on how nicotine gets from source(tobacco plants) to the 7.5% and under that we finally end up with.

So it gets picked as leaves , but is it processed overseas or brought in raw to the UK (id imagine a mix of both )?

Once it arrives in pure form does anyone know which companies are diluting it?(large pharmas but which ones?

From there it will be going to wholesalers in mass bulk(but whos the wholesalers and distributors to wholesalers) ???

And from wholesalers it will be coming down the supply chain so ive got that bit.

Theres a few reasons for asking as it clears up some points i ve read(eg i read a frightening post on another forum discussing buying pure nicotine which obviously no sane person would be interested in......but wheres the due diligence to stop it getting onto the market in pure form)

I guess im just wondering if anyone knows who holds the reigns on this from 7.5% bulk to the 100ml or so we buy?

Thanks to anyone that can enlighten me

[markm]

I think the strongest mix available to the public is 100mg/ml = 10%
I think you need to be licenced and in the chemicals/pharma trade to get anything stronger.

[rich64]

Sept 10, 2013 19:47:04 GMT markm said:

I think the strongest mix available to the public is 100mg/ml = 10%
I think you need to be licenced and in the chemicals/pharma trade to get anything stronger.

Thanks for the reply Mark

I guess whats getting me is if i was to buy say a pack of cigarettes id be pretty much able to find the manufacturer,the main distributors,wholesalers and of course retailers so theres due diligence in place.

I can t do the same with nicotine as no matter how i input into google i end up with something to do with nicorette patches or such like.

I suppose im interested in how our suppliers find their wholesalers and who those wholesalers are and how the wholesalers deal with the pharmas .

Maybe just a closed shop

[a1laserboy]

I also saw someone mention pure nic (99%) elsewhere and rightly the link was quickly removed.

It is still being sold on the site linked to, wether or not they actually stock or sell it now I don't know. Its a foreign vaping site selling it and recommending it for diy mixing!!!!! wholly irresponsible!!

[Perpetua]

Sept 10, 2013 20:30:24 GMT a1laserboy said:

I also saw someone mention pure nic (99%) elsewhere and rightly the link was quickly removed.

It is still being sold on the site linked to, wether or not they actually stock or sell it now I don't know. Its a foreign vaping site selling it and recommending it for diy mixing!!!!! wholly irresponsible!!

100mg Nicotine Base is completely legal to sell and buy in the US, something I always find puzzling considering how safely conscious our friends across the pond are. It is however illegal to import it into the UK without a Poisons Licence.

If you buy it from the reputable American company I'm thinking of, then the owner won't send it as he's well aware of the law here.

[a1laserboy]

Perps, this is being sold as 99% pure. Not 99mg. The guy that was talking about it was reporting getting extremely dizzy when mixing it but I can't remember the mix exactly - something like 1:10 or 1:20 concentrate:dilutent.

(I have already imported 100mg from a famous US vendor at the start of the year successfully but that's another story)

[Perpetua]

Sept 10, 2013 20:51:57 GMT a1laserboy said:

(I have already imported 100mg from a famous US vendor at the start of the year successfully but that's another story)

Hope you're being uber careful mixing it then a1.

[a1laserboy]

100 mg? Of course. As careful as I would be if it were 72mg. But that's not what I was really talking about

[rich64]

Sept 10, 2013 20:30:24 GMT a1laserboy said:

I also saw someone mention pure nic (99%) elsewhere and rightly the link was quickly removed.

It is still being sold on the site linked to, wether or not they actually stock or sell it now I don't know. Its a foreign vaping site selling it and recommending it for diy mixing!!!!! wholly irresponsible!!

May well be the same post i read and it was frankly mind boggling someone could be so greedy and reckless.
This is where working in mg and percentages could cause fatalities.(someone buying 100% and following a recipe for 100 mg...scary when you consider 2 ml of 18% is enough to cause a child fatality(god forbid)

Still wondering who the wholesalers are of 7.5 and where they get it from though

[Postmodern Smoking]

In reply to your original question, AFAIK there is only one main pharma company in the UK specializing and processing pure nicotine from imported raw nicotine sulphate, that nowadays comes from Indian tobacco; [if I recall correctly]. Much of the UK pharma's pure nicotine products are exported to the USA for NRT.

I know of at least one e-cig supplier in the UK that buys the pure nicotine from the pharma company and does the dilution with PG/VG themselves, I won't mention names. We however get the pharma manufacturing company to carry out our dilution (safer for us, pharma Quality Control, certification including strength testing, etc. of each batch that we order; although more expensive than diluting ourselves).

We bottle the dilute nicotine in our HEPA cleanroom in 100ml and 500ml for the public and sometimes 2.5L+ wholesale, all with traceable batch number to its certification. Some of the other larger vendors also sell wholesale.

Recently another UK ecig company started importing European nicotine and diluting in the UK for wholesale. I don't know who is doing their diluting or much about their operations.

Nicotine falls under the Poisons Act at 7.5% (75mg/ml) in the UK, so generally the strongest available for public sale is below this, typically 7.2%.

[Mev]

I am guessing it's TW doing the dilution themselves as i'm sure it'd need some cash to set up and licensing etc. It is reassuring to a customer such as myself that such as postmodern have the pharma company deal with the dilution and testing.

[rich64]

Sept 10, 2013 23:41:57 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

In reply to your original question, AFAIK there is only one main pharma company in the UK specializing and processing pure nicotine from imported raw nicotine sulphate, that nowadays comes from Indian tobacco; [if I recall correctly]. Much of the UK pharma's pure nicotine products are exported to the USA for NRT.

I know of at least one e-cig supplier in the UK that buys the pure nicotine from the pharma company and does the dilution with PG/VG themselves, I won't mention names. We however get the pharma manufacturing company to carry out our dilution (safer for us, pharma Quality Control, certification including strength testing, etc. of each batch that we order; although more expensive than diluting ourselves).

We bottle the dilute nicotine in our HEPA cleanroom in 100ml and 500ml for the public and sometimes 2.5L+ wholesale, all with traceable batch number to its certification. Some of the other larger vendors also sell wholesale.

Recently another UK ecig company started importing European nicotine and diluting in the UK for wholesale. I don't know who is doing their diluting or much about their operations.

Nicotine falls under the Poisons Act at 7.5% (75mg/ml) in the UK, so generally the strongest available for public sale is below this, typically 7.2%.

Thankyou very much for the information and pretty much ansers my questions fully

I did read up on the poisons act last night , it did appear relatively easy for a verified vendor to get a poisons licence(it was graded lower  than a farmer needing fertilisers that come under the poisons act with around £36.00 for the licence app)

Funnily enough i read the info on your specific brand last night and a definate thumbs up to the certification process: as to remain credible without government intervention its an area that needs tightened up on and you guys are putting that effort in so kudos there .

Interesting subject and once again thanks for your reply

[rich64]

Thanks for all the replies people